hello; here is the problem. i have a laptop running linux-2.4.3 with three wireless ethernet cards installed and an actual ethernet card acting as a router. eth0 connects to the wired ethernet in my home. eth1 connects to the first orinoco card which is the local wireless cell this is in home use. eth2 connects to the second orinoco card which has and 24dbi gain parabolic directional antennea and will eventually be a 512mbs connection to the internet. eth3 connects to the third orinoco card which has an external antennea so i am able to sit outside and work on the computers. any computers on the wired ethernet are able to ping the laptop router but are unable to ping any wireless computer. any computer on the local in home wireless are able to ping the laptop router but are unable to ping any computer on the wired ethernet. any computer on the wireless networks with external antennea is able to ping any other wireless computers and the laptop router but unable to ping the wired ethernet computers. the ip numbers are valid internet numbers. it is my legacy class c ip range. there are no subnets. all wireless cards are in ad-hoc mode with 128bit encryption enabled. i am trying to route any wireless computer to the wired ethernet. i am trying to route the wired ethernet to eth2 as internet default gateway. what am i missing? -- Terry L. Ridder Blue Danube Artistic Forge (Blaue Donau Kunstschmiede) "We do not bend metal, we sculpt it." digging deep, i feel my conscience burn i need to know who and what i am this hunger jolts me from complacency rocks me, makes me meet myself ----kendall payne---closer to myself---