Yes - they are both the same. GRE is the name of the IP protocol used for exchanging messages. PPTP - Point to Point Tunneling Protocol. - Greg -----Original Message----- From: glynn [mailto:glynn@itextron.com] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 7:08 PM To: Greg Scott; Christoph Simon; Joe Patterson Cc: lartc@mailman.ds9a.nl Subject: Re: [LARTC] Gre Tunneling Problem Does PPTP VPN and gre tunneling the same? Thanks Glynn