* Américo Wang <xiyou.wangcong@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Ingo Molnar <mingo@xxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > So i think you should seriously consider moving your projects > > *into* tools/ instead of trying to get other projects to move out > > ... > > > > You should at least *try* the unified model before criticising it > > - because currently you guys are preaching about sex while having > > sworn a life long celibacy ;-) > > Ingo, this is making Linux another BSD... manage everything in a > single tree... It's not an all-or-nothing prospect. Linux user-space consists of well in excess of 200 MLOC code. The kernel is 15 MLOC. I think the system-bound utilities that 'obviously' qualify for kernel inclusion are around 1 MLOC in total size, i.e. less than 0.5% of all user-space. > Also, what is your criteria for merging a user-space project into > kernel tree? Well, my criteria go roughly along these lines: 1) The developers use that model and are productive that way and produce a tool that has a significant upside. 2) There's significant Linux-specific interactions between the user-space project and the kernel. 3) The code is clean, well designed and follows the various principles laid out in Documentation/CodingStyle and Documentation/ManagementStyle so that it can be merged into a prominent spot in the kernel tree and the project is ready to live with the (non-trivial!) consequences of all that: - the project does -stable kernel backports of serious bugs - the project follows a strict "no regressions" policy - the project follows the kernel release cycle of 'Winter', 'Spring', 'Summer' and 'Autumn' releases and follows the merge window requirements and implements the post-rc1 stabilization cycle. These are not easy requirements and i can well imagine that many projects, even if they qualified on all other counts, would prefer to stay out of tree than be subject to such strict release engineering constraints. Also, the requirements can be made stricter with time, based on positive and negative experiences. Projects can 'die' and move out of the kernel as well if the kernel repo did not work out for them. As long as it's all done gradually and on a case by case basis Linux can only benefit from this. Thanks, Ingo -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe kvm" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html