On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 8:19 AM Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 03, 2020 at 04:22:57PM -0800, Peter Feiner wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 2:31 PM Jim Mattson <jmattson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > Peter Feiner asked me an intriguing question the other day. If you > > > have a hypervisor that walks its guest's x86 page tables in software > > > during emulation, how can you make that software page walk behave > > > exactly like a hardware page walk? In particular, when the hypervisor > > > is running as an L1 guest, how is it possible to write the software > > > page walk so that accesses to L2's x86 page tables are treated as > > > reads if L0 isn't using EPT A/D bits, but they're treated as writes if > > > L0 is using EPT A/D bits? (Paravirtualization is not allowed.) > > > > > > It seems to me that this behavior isn't virtualizable. Am I wrong? > > > > Jim, I thought about this some more after talking to you. I think it's > > entirely moot what L0 sees so long as L1 and L2 work correctly. So, > > the question becomes, is there anything that L0 could possibly rely on > > this behavior for? My first thought was dirty tracking, but that's not > > a problem because *writes* to the L2 x86 page tables' A/D bits will > > still be intercepted by L0. The missing D bit on a guest page that > > doesn't actually change doesn't matter :-) > > Ya. The hardware behavior of setting the Dirty bit is effectively a > spurious update. Not emulating that behavior is arguably a good thing :-). > > Presumably, the EPT walks are overzealous in treating IA32 page walks as > writes to allow for simpler hardware implementations, e.g. the mechanism to > handle A/D bit updates doesn't need to handle the case where setting an A/D > bit in an IA32 page walk would also trigger an D bit update for the > associated EPT walk. I was actually more concerned about the EPT permissions aspect. With EPT A/D bits enabled, a non-writable EPT page can't be used for a hardware page walk, but it can be used for a software page walk. Maybe that's neither here nor there.
