On Sun, 2022-02-27 at 08:24 +0000, Duncan wrote: > hw posted on Sun, 27 Feb 2022 02:22:54 +0100 as excerpted: > > > how do you make it so that menus in the starter of the panel show as > > menus as they used to? I thought the menu definitions must have become > > messed up but kmenuedit still shows them as menus as they are supposed > > to show. I added my own menus and submenus, and of course I want them > > to show as menus and submenus and not everything in a chaotic list. > > Somehow the panel/starter must have been made worse. > > Easiest: Context (aka right) click on the kickoff button and select "show > alternatives". Select "Application Menu". (This of course assumes your > distro has it installed.) Right click doesn't work with wayland. > Alternative: Add widgets (there's several ways to get to that, including > the desktop context menu), set the category to application launchers, make > your selection and drag it to a panel or desktop as desired. You mean the root window ("background" since wayland apparently doesn't have a root window anymore)? The background is covered with windows, so that menu is not accessible. And I don't understand what you mean by "desktop". A GUI is no more than a way to display programs in such a way that they can be had on the same display with convenient ways to switch between them. A "background" basically doesn't exist, and there is no "desktop". I don't understand what "desktop environment" is supposed to be, either, there is no such thing. Remember when we switched between consoles with Alt+Fx keys. A GUI is no more than that, only more convenient for switching and with more possibilites for displaying graphics. And the key bindings in emacs work better in GUI frames. > Third party alternative: Choose and configure your own third-party > launcher. Like which one? > [...] > After trying a few different things including a heavily bash-scripted > solution of my own, I ended up using pdmenu as my base, > [...] Hm, pdmenu isn't in Fedora. Maybe mc might work? Maybe I need to go back to fvwm --- but then I'd be stuck with X11.