Hi ! , On Tue, 2017-05-23 at 23:53 -0600, Jerome Yuzyk wrote: > [KDE 4.14.30 on Fedora 25] > where or you get KDE 4.14.30 on Fedora 25 ? or you mean by that ? , I use kde-workspace-4.11.22-20.fc25.x86_64 on my desktop [1] and I publish my builds on [2], all applications like konsole, we don't change it, I use the system ones, I can use systemsettings5 and systemsettings , it is quite fun and works almost 100%, i. e. have the same bugs not new ones :) . [2] https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/sergiomb/kde4for23/ [1] rpm -qf /usr/bin/kwin kde-workspace-4.11.22-20.fc25.x86_64 ps -ef | grep -P " k|kde|kwin" root 39 2 0 mai21 ? 00:00:00 [kdevtmpfs] root 1662 1028 0 mai21 ? 00:00:00 /usr/libexec/sddm-helper --socket /tmp/sddm-auth6b3b7e5a-1685-4b5e-bf01-f8fcc5bb62f5 --id 1 --start /usr/bin/ startkde --user sergio sergio 1693 1662 0 mai21 ? 00:00:00 /bin/sh /usr/bin/startkde sergio 1838 1693 0 mai21 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/ssh-agent /bin/sh -c exec -l /bin/bash -c "/usr/bin/startkde" sergio 1915 1 0 mai21 ? 00:00:00 /usr/libexec/kde4/start_kdeinit +kcminit_startup sergio 1916 1 0 mai21 ? 00:00:00 kdeinit4: kdeinit4 Running... sergio 1917 1916 0 mai21 ? 00:00:00 kdeinit4: klauncher [kdeinit] --fd=9 sergio 1919 1 0 mai21 ? 00:00:40 kdeinit4: kded4 [kdeinit] sergio 1925 1 0 mai21 ? 00:00:02 kdeinit4: kglobalaccel [kdeinit] sergio 1937 1693 0 mai21 ? 00:00:00 kwrapper4 ksmserver sergio 1944 1916 0 mai21 ? 00:00:13 kdeinit4: ksmserver [kdeinit] sergio 2012 1944 0 mai21 ? 00:33:14 kwin -session 10dfcedf75000145002440800000150260000_1495328060_557005 sergio 2024 1916 0 mai21 ? 00:00:13 /usr/libexec/kf5/polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1 sergio 2029 1916 0 mai21 ? 00:00:31 /usr/libexec/kdeconnectd sergio 2035 1 0 mai21 ? 00:01:09 kdeinit4: krunner [kdeinit] sergio 2036 1 0 mai21 ? 00:35:24 kdeinit4: plasma-desktop [kdeinit] sergio 2117 1916 0 mai21 ? 00:00:00 /usr/bin/xsettings-kde sergio 2147 1 0 mai21 ? 00:00:20 kmix -session 10dfcedf75000148814954600000018710036_1495328060_351064 sergio 2264 1666 0 mai21 ? 00:00:29 /usr/bin/kded5 sergio 2287 1666 0 mai21 ? 00:00:00 kdeinit5: Running... sergio 2303 1 0 mai21 ? 00:00:23 kdeinit4: klipper [kdeinit] sergio 5929 1916 0 02:42 ? 00:00:00 kdeinit4: kio_http [kdeinit] http local:/run/ > The darnedest thing: suddenly I can't move a window by grabbing the > title bar. > Neither full height windows nor dialogs. Others have reported this, > but mostly > in past releases. It seems I need to kill the kwin process and > restart it with > "kwin --replace". Failing that, logout and back in. I'd rather not do > that. > > First off, I don't have a "kwin" process, though I do have a > "kwin_x11" > process. Secondly, is "kwin --replace" the right way to start kwin? > I run kwin from my package kde-workspace-4.11.22 from https://cgit.kde.org/kde-workspace.git/?h=KDE%2F4.11 I'd like hear some suggestion ... Best regards, -- Sérgio M. B.