René J.V. Bertin posted on Wed, 01 Mar 2017 09:40:53 +0100 as excerpted: > I certainly hope that KDE desktops don't turn into open source OS X > systems where you need to run an additional X server if you need to use > X11 applications, be it local or remote. As long as X11 apps can still > be used seemlessly (and older, not-so-graphically-capable hardware can > still be used) I don't really care what the main displaying protocol is. > This probably all depends on what options Qt provides, but possibly also > on what Gnome does. Note that I'm not yet running wayland here, so I don't have the actual experience with it already that some will... There's two possible ways to go. I'm not sure what the default is, but I can imagine different distros with different defaults, to emphasize ease- of-use and lower resource use by setting up all legacy X apps to run in the same nested X session inside wayland by default, or to emphasize the better security that wayland apps get automatically, by running separate nested X sessions for each X-based app by default. Either way it should be possible to go the non-default route, but it'll require a bit of extra work (setting another line in the *.desktop file, for instance) that some users will never do on their own. Regardless, I don't believe anyone's pretending that X-based apps won't be around for quite some time still; even if all the freedomware apps get wayland support (is anyone even working on that for gtk2?, or are gtk2- based apps automatically legacy-X, much like I guess qt4-based apps are? ), there's going to be abandoned servantware apps, games, etc, that will continue to require an X session as long as they continue to be used. Tho I suppose eventually it'll be much like firing up DOSBox to run an old DOS-based game (with its sub-1-MiB memory usage). After decades of X, yes, some users won't be running X apps at all in say five years, but others will still have those one or two X-based apps they want/need to continue to run on a modern Linux/Wayland-based desktop a decade, even two, from now. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman