Eyolf Østrem posted on Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:35:45 +0100 as excerpted: > As I started out saying: I endorse the ideological side of FOSS > completely; Richard Stallman is one of my true idols, not only for what > he is doing for software (sorry: for humanity, in the area of software, > I meant to say..). My main point was that even though free open software > ideologically is empowering people on the general level, that is a very > remote concept for ME as an end user in the specific situation when I've > e.g. upgraded my installation of kde and a lot of customization options > are gone. The only way in PRACTICE the regular end-user is empowered, is > through the control he is given over the interaction with the program, > through customization and documentation. Without that control, an open > source application is just as much a black box to me as a closed source > one. ++ on the RMS reference. Can't disagree with that (obviously, given my sig, tho I'm not sure I'd call him my idol, nor, from what I've read, would I necessarily get along so well with him as a person). But to the larger point... I already mentioned one practical benefit for users, as illustrated by the nVidia closed source drivers. Another point on that is that the kernel folks, for instance, generally consider a proprietary module taint a big stop-sign to further debugging, simply because it's a black-box they have no way of groking the functionality of, or really, how it interacts with the rest of the system. Now before you say ordinary users aren't interested in that, consider the effect those otherwise traced and fixed bugs have on their Linux usage, whether they understand or care where the bugs are, and why they're not fixed, or not. That's a very practical situation in which a non-coder definitely benefits from the transparent boxes of free/libre and open source software. Another, perhaps more appreciable end user benefit, is with stuff like DVD player software. Proprietary apps can and do tend to enforce the various region restrictions, the "Must-play" flag as used on the FBI warning and often ads, etc. In the FLOSS world, such things don't tend to fly, tho apps like Okular sometimes do have the /option/ to enforce the no-copy flag, for instance (with certain companies that will exercise that option and lock it down). But as hard-coded no-choice-you-get-what- we-say functionality, such things don't tend to survive long in the FLOSS world, because if for some reason the developer releases it with the lockdowns in place, someone else quickly comes along and removes them, and guess which software gets used, the crippled or the functional version? =:^) Even where various distributions ship the crippled versions for legal reasons, the option to get the fully functional version is as close as configuring a different repository, in most cases, and in fact, distributions such as Mint Linux (based on Ubuntu so Gnome, but anyway...) are available that ship the un-crippled versions from the start. Of course there are down-sides as well. Having to point at that second repository is one. Another is that last time I tried gnash and swfdec, they weren't reliable enough to use in general, so I presently run without flash in the browser (but with those flash ads and flash cookie tracking, is that such a bad thing?), but OTOH, icecat (generic firefox) has extensions such as DownloadHelper that will grab the youtube videos, often giving me quite a choice of formats, and then I have the videos locally and can play them full-screen in my media-player of choice (smplayer, FWIW). So it's more trouble to browse them initially, since I have to download them to view, but once downloaded, I have them available to keep if desired, and play again and again, either windowed for full screen, again as desired, even if the RIAA or someone else decides to play the DMCA card and youtube takes them down. Proprietaryware makes that sort of thing much more difficult for the user, /especially/ users that don't code, and thus can't enjoy the most direct benefit of FLOSS, the open code itself. So there is /indeed/ benefits to FLOSS for the ordinary user, and users who choose to run nonfree programs are indeed submitting themselves to the mastership of that software's lord and master, in a way unlike that of running FLOSS, even if they can't write a single line of code, themselves. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman ___________________________________________________ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.