Hi Folks. First I'd like to say that I use KDE 99.5+% of the time, and don't want anybody telling me to move to Gnome, get a better distro, or any of that sort of rubbish. Ksim on FC1 was fine. It was a standalone app, easily configurable, and had the graph displayed in blue, and the text in black. I then added FC2. No Ksim. Where's it gone? /usr/share showed parts of Ksim, but no binary. I eventually found a source file for Ksim and installed that on FC2. This again was the same as on FC1. Quite some time later. I'm not sure if it was before, or after I installed FC3, I saw by chance a comment that Ksim was now a panel extension. I think this may have been after I'd installed FC3, as I remember trying to install the Ksim .tar.gz source file onto FC3 and it was a no-go. Ksim as a panel extension on FC3 works. But. As default it is always on top. Any opened windows are obscured by Ksim in the part of the screen it occupies. Also, any icons below Ksim (where I have it on the top right of the screen) are shifted to the left side of it every time I reboot. This results, if you have more than one row of icons, with icons being stacked on top of icons. In FC3 this is fixable using the panel config for Ksim, and checking the box in "Hiding" "Allow other windows to cover the panel". I still don't like this Ksim panel extension. Whereas the freestanding Ksim had a colour contrast (blue and black) between the graphs and the text, the panel extension version is all black, and makes it very difficult to read the text at times. Kde version: 3.4.2-0.fc3.2 Red Hat. It gets worse now moving onto FC4. Putting aside the problems I had with installing FC4, I enable the panel extension for Ksim, and configure it with CPU, eth0, memory, etc. The CPU, and eth0 graphs are showing. Memory, both RAM, and swap are showing as text output of used and free. I next go to panel config, and check the "Allow other windows to cover the panel" box. Now this works fine for any windows I open, but now, in contrast to FC3 the icons on reboot are still moved to the left edge of Ksim, which seems like Ksim is hogging the right side of the screen, and I have adjusted the amount of the right side it is supposed to be taking up. Next I do the FC4 updates, 435MB+. Now I'm not sure what version of KDE FC4 I had before the updates. I forgot to look. But am now using. KDE version: 3.5.1-0.1.fc4 Red Hat. After the updates Ksim has changed yet again. Now it shows the graphs for CPU , eth0, but both memory lines have lost there text output for free and used memory. These have been replaced with, one line saying "Memory" and the other saying "Swap" , and to see anything you have to hover the mouse pointer over them. And I must say that I've tried to fix this. This is a plea to the Ksim developer/s . Can we not have Ksim back, as it was, as an app on the Kmenu? These panel extensions are absolutely terrible. Nigel. ___________________________________________________ . Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.