on previous kde versions I could double click on the title bar of a window and it would 'roll up' but stay on the screen. I can't seem to find how to do this in the kde control panel. -- John R. Sowden AMERICAN SENTRY SYSTEMS, INC. Residential & Commercial Alarm Service UL Listed Central Station Serving the San Francisco Bay Area Since 1967 mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.americansentry.net ___________________________________________________ . Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.