It often happens to me that tray icons can't park in Kicker. Instead, when starting an application, its tray icon crazily jumps over the screen and sometimes it ends up as a separate window and sometimes it jumps over the screen until I kill the application. The problem doesn't seem to be application specific, it happens at least with KNetLoad, Kopete and AmaroK. I use KDE 3.3.0a from Debian and the Sawfish window manager. I experienced the problem with KDE 3.2.3 and 3.3.0 as well. Any hint what could be wrong on my computer? Thanks, Milan Zamazal -- Omigod, it's a flame war about a flame war. You know, a meta-flame war! Kenny Tilton in comp.lang.lisp ___________________________________________________ . Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.