First of all i want to thank you for the help you gave me. However i must point that i did not run into any problems when i upgraded from kde 3.1.4 to kde 3.1.5 This whole thing started when i upgraded to kde 3.2 Also i must say that in both cases i used rpm packages for the upgrade and did not build from source. I don't know if this has anythink to do with it Also the KDEDIR variable is unset... I can always use gdm but i would prefer kdm since its much better looking at. Maybe looking at the source would help since i am i programmer myself ??? Anyway, Richard thanks.. chrissk_2@xxxxxxxx ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Αποκτήστε τη δωρεάν @yahoo.gr διεύθυνση σας στο http://www.otenet.gr ___________________________________________________ . Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.