On 07.07.2021 02:57, John Harrison wrote:
> On 7/3/2021 01:21, Martin Peres wrote:
>> On 02/07/2021 18:07, Michal Wajdeczko wrote:
>>> On 02.07.2021 10:09, Martin Peres wrote:
>>>> On 02/07/2021 10:29, Pekka Paalanen wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 21:28:06 +0200
>>>>> Daniel Vetter <daniel@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 8:27 PM Martin Peres <martin.peres@xxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 01/07/2021 11:14, Pekka Paalanen wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 11:58:25 -0700
>>>>>>>> John Harrison <john.c.harrison@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 6/30/2021 01:22, Martin Peres wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 24/06/2021 10:05, Matthew Brost wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Daniele Ceraolo Spurio <daniele.ceraolospurio@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Unblock GuC submission on Gen11+ platforms.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Michal Wajdeczko <michal.wajdeczko@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Daniele Ceraolo Spurio
>>>>>>>>>>> <daniele.ceraolospurio@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Matthew Brost <matthew.brost@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>> drivers/gpu/drm/i915/gt/uc/intel_guc.h | 1 +
>>>>>>>>>>> drivers/gpu/drm/i915/gt/uc/intel_guc_submission.c | 8 ++++++++
>>>>>>>>>>> drivers/gpu/drm/i915/gt/uc/intel_guc_submission.h | 3 +--
>>>>>>>>>>> drivers/gpu/drm/i915/gt/uc/intel_uc.c | 14
>>>>>>>>>>> +++++++++-----
>>>>>>>>>>> 4 files changed, 19 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>> diff --git a/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/gt/uc/intel_uc.c
>>>>>>>>>>> b/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/gt/uc/intel_uc.c
>>>>>>>>>>> index 7a69c3c027e9..61be0aa81492 100644
>>>>>>>>>>> --- a/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/gt/uc/intel_uc.c
>>>>>>>>>>> +++ b/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/gt/uc/intel_uc.c
>>>>>>>>>>> @@ -34,8 +34,15 @@ static void uc_expand_default_options(struct
>>>>>>>>>>> intel_uc *uc)
>>>>>>>>>>> return;
>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>> - /* Default: enable HuC authentication only */
>>>>>>>>>>> - i915->params.enable_guc = ENABLE_GUC_LOAD_HUC;
>>>>>>>>>>> + /* Intermediate platforms are HuC authentication only */
>>>>>>>>>>> + if (IS_DG1(i915) || IS_ALDERLAKE_S(i915)) {
>>>>>>>>>>> + drm_dbg(&i915->drm, "Disabling GuC only due to old
>>>>>>>>>>> platform\n");
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This comment does not seem accurate, given that DG1 is barely
>>>>>>>>>> out, and
>>>>>>>>>> ADL is not out yet. How about:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Disabling GuC on untested platforms"?
>>>>>>>>> Just because something is not in the shops yet does not mean it is
>>>>>>>>> new.
>>>>>>>>> Technology is always obsolete by the time it goes on sale.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is a very good reason to not use terminology like "new",
>>>>>>>> "old",
>>>>>>>> "current", "modern" etc. at all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> End users like me definitely do not share your interpretation of
>>>>>>>> "old".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep, old and new is relative. In the end, what matters is the
>>>>>>> validation
>>>>>>> effort, which is why I was proposing "untested platforms".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, remember that you are not writing these messages for Intel
>>>>>>> engineers, but instead are writing for Linux *users*.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's drm_dbg. Users don't read this stuff, at least not users with no
>>>>>> clue what the driver does and stuff like that.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I had a problem, I would read it, and I have no clue what anything
>>>>> of that is.
>>>>
>>>> Exactly.
> I don't see how replacing 'old' for 'untested' helps anybody to
> understand anything. Untested just implies we can't be bothered to test
> stuff before publishing it. And as previously stated, this is purely a
> political decision not a technical one. Sure, change the message to be
> 'Disabling GuC submission but enabling HuC loading via GuC on platform
> XXX' if that makes it clearer what is going on. Or just drop the message
> completely. It's simply explaining what the default option is for the
> current platform which you can also get by reading the code. However, I
> disagree that 'untested' is the correct message. Quite a lot of testing
> has been happening on TGL+ with GuC submission enabled.
>
>>>>
>>>> This level of defense for what is clearly a bad *debug* message (at the
>>>> very least, the grammar) makes no sense at all!
>>>>
>>>> I don't want to hear arguments like "Not my patch" from a developer
>>>> literally sending the patch to the ML and who added his SoB to the
>>>> patch, playing with words, or minimizing the problem of having such a
>>>> message.
>>>
>>> Agree that 'not my patch' is never a good excuse, but equally we can't
>>> blame original patch author as patch was updated few times since then.
>>
>> I never wanted to blame the author here, I was only speaking about the
>> handling of feedback on the patch.
>>
>>>
>>> Maybe to avoid confusions and simplify reviews, we could split this
>>> patch into two smaller: first one that really unblocks GuC submission on
>>> all Gen11+ (see __guc_submission_supported) and second one that updates
>>> defaults for Gen12+ (see uc_expand_default_options), as original patch
>>> (from ~2019) evolved more than what title/commit message says.
>>
>> Both work for me, as long as it is a collaborative effort.
> I'm not seeing how splitting the patch up fixes the complaints about the
> debug message.
I assume it's not just about debug message (but still related)
With separate patches you can explain in commit messages:
patch1: why (from technical point of view) we unblock GuC submission
only for Gen11+ (as pre-Gen11 are also using the same GuC firmware so
one can assume GuC submission will work there too),
patch2: why (from "political" point of view) we want to turn on GuC
submission by default only on selected Gen12+ platforms (as one could
wonder why we don't enable GuC submission for Gen11+ since it should
work there too).
Then it should be easy to find proper wording for any debug message we
may want to add.
>
> And to be clear, no-one is actually arguing for a code change as such?
> The issue is just about the text of the debug message? Or did I miss
> something somewhere?
Change is trivial is hard to complain, what is missing, IMHO, is good
rationale why we are making GuC submission enabling so selective.
Michal
>
> John.
>
>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Martin
>>
>>>
>>> Then we can fix all messaging and make sure it's clear and understood.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Michal
>>>
>>>>
>>>> All of the above are just clear signals for the community to get off
>>>> your playground, which is frankly unacceptable. Your email address does
>>>> not matter.
>>>>
>>>> In the spirit of collaboration, your response should have been "Good
>>>> catch, how about XXXX or YYYY?". This would not have wasted everyone's
>>>> time in an attempt to just have it your way.
>>>>
>>>> My level of confidence in this GuC transition was already low, but you
>>>> guys are working hard to shoot yourself in the foot. Trust should be
>>>> earned!
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> pq
>>>>>
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