On 02/06/2021 02:20, John Harrison wrote:
On 6/1/2021 02:31, Tvrtko Ursulin wrote:
On 27/05/2021 18:01, John Harrison wrote:
On 5/27/2021 01:53, Tvrtko Ursulin wrote:
On 26/05/2021 19:45, John Harrison wrote:
On 5/26/2021 01:40, Tvrtko Ursulin wrote:
On 25/05/2021 18:52, Matthew Brost wrote:
On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 11:16:12AM +0100, Tvrtko Ursulin wrote:
On 06/05/2021 20:14, Matthew Brost wrote:
From: John Harrison <John.C.Harrison@xxxxxxxxx>
The serial number tracking of engines happens at the backend of
request submission and was expecting to only be given physical
engines. However, in GuC submission mode, the decomposition of
virtual
to physical engines does not happen in i915. Instead, requests are
submitted to their virtual engine mask all the way through to the
hardware (i.e. to GuC). This would mean that the heart beat code
thinks the physical engines are idle due to the serial number not
incrementing.
This patch updates the tracking to decompose virtual engines into
their physical constituents and tracks the request against
each. This
is not entirely accurate as the GuC will only be issuing the
request
to one physical engine. However, it is the best that i915 can
do given
that it has no knowledge of the GuC's scheduling decisions.
Commit text sounds a bit defeatist. I think instead of making up
the serial
counts, which has downsides (could you please document in the
commit what
they are), we should think how to design things properly.
IMO, I don't think fixing serial counts is the scope of this
series. We
should focus on getting GuC submission in not cleaning up all the
crap
that is in the i915. Let's make a note of this though so we can
revisit
later.
I will say again - commit message implies it is introducing an
unspecified downside by not fully fixing an also unspecified
issue. It is completely reasonable, and customary even, to ask for
both to be documented in the commit message.
Not sure what exactly is 'unspecified'. I thought the commit
message described both the problem (heartbeat not running when
using virtual engines) and the result (heartbeat running on more
engines than strictly necessary). But in greater detail...
The serial number tracking is a hack for the heartbeat code to know
whether an engine is busy or idle, and therefore whether it should
be pinged for aliveness. Whenever a submission is made to an
engine, the serial number is incremented. The heartbeat code keeps
a copy of the value. If the value has changed, the engine is busy
and needs to be pinged.
This works fine for execlist mode where virtual engine
decomposition is done inside i915. It fails miserably for GuC mode
where the decomposition is done by the hardware. The reason being
that the heartbeat code only looks at physical engines but the
serial count is only incremented on the virtual engine. Thus, the
heartbeat sees everything as idle and does not ping.
So hangcheck does not work. Or it works because GuC does it anyway.
Either way, that's one thing to explicitly state in the commit message.
This patch decomposes the virtual engines for the sake of
incrementing the serial count on each sub-engine in order to keep
the heartbeat code happy. The downside is that now the heartbeat
sees all sub-engines as busy rather than only the one the
submission actually ends up on. There really isn't much that can be
done about that. The heartbeat code is in i915 not GuC, the
scheduler is in GuC not i915. The only way to improve it is to
either move the heartbeat code into GuC as well and completely
disable the i915 side, or add some way for i915 to interrogate GuC
as to which engines are or are not active. Technically, we do have
both. GuC has (or at least had) an option to force a context switch
on every execution quantum pre-emption. However, that is much,
much, more heavy weight than the heartbeat. For the latter, we do
(almost) have the engine usage statistics for PMU and such like.
I'm not sure how much effort it would be to wire that up to the
heartbeat code instead of using the serial count.
In short, the serial count is ever so slightly inefficient in that
it causes heartbeat pings on engines which are idle. On the other
hand, it is way more efficient and simpler than the current
alternatives.
And the hack to make hangcheck work creates this inefficiency where
heartbeats are sent to idle engines. Which is probably fine just
needs to be explained.
Does that answer the questions?
With the two points I re-raise clearly explained, possibly even
patch title changed, yeah. I am just wanting for it to be more
easily obvious to patch reader what it is functionally about - not
just what implementation details have been change but why as well.
My understanding is that we don't explain every piece of code in
minute detail in every checkin email that touches it. I thought my
description was already pretty verbose. I've certainly seen way less
informative checkins that apparently made it through review without
issue.
Regarding the problem statement, I thought this was fairly clear that
the heartbeat was broken for virtual engines:
This would mean that the heart beat code
thinks the physical engines are idle due to the serial number not
incrementing.
Regarding the inefficiency about heartbeating all physical engines in
a virtual engine, again, this seems clear to me:
decompose virtual engines into
their physical constituents and tracks the request against each.
This
is not entirely accurate as the GuC will only be issuing the request
to one physical engine.
For the subject, I guess you could say "Track 'heartbeat serial'
counts for virtual engines". However, the serial tracking count is
not explicitly named for heartbeats so it seems inaccurate to rename
it for a checkin email subject.
If you have a suggestion for better wording then feel free to propose
something.
Sigh, I am not asking for more low level detail but for more up to
point high level naming and high level description.
"drm/i915: Fix hangchek for guc virtual engines"
I would argue that the bug is not a with hangcheck bug and only
tangentially a GuC bug. It is really a bug with the serial number
tracking of virtual engines in general and the lack of support for
You argue it is a bug in general but nothing is currently broken apart
from hangcheck with GuC virtual engines? :) That could mean, say, that
it is not actually broken but designed for the current code base.
Maybe "drm/i915: Make hangcheck work with GuC virtual engines" then if
you object on the word fix? Would that make it immediately clear why is
this patch must have/desirable?
non-execlist backends in the serial number implementation. Hangcheck
makes use of the serial number. It is not clear from the code whether
anything else does currently or used to previously use them. Certainly,
Engine pm clearly uses it to know when it is safe to park the engine. I
think I asked earlier in the series have the interactions in that area
been looked at. I don't know myself, since I think that GuC changes how
engine parking is done, but not really familiar. Now that I think of it,
there possibly is a patch which keeps all engines unparked for virtual
engines, so that's looking okay.
there is no documentation on the serial number declaration in the engine
structure to explain its purpose. Likewise, there is nothing GuC
specific about delaying the decomposition of virtual engines. Any
externally scheduled backed end would do similar. E.g. once the execlist
backend moves to using the DRM scheduler then maybe it will have delayed
decomposition as well, and therefore also fall foul of the missing
serial number updates.
I don't think we know yet how drm/scheduler will be used to go that far.
"..Blah blah, but hack because it is not ideal due xyz which
needlessly wakes up all engines which has an effect on power yes/no?
Latency? Throughput when high prio pulse triggers pointless preemption?"
Yes to all the above but that is already true of the heartbeat mechanism
in general and I do not see any documentation in the code as to what the
effect of the heartbeat mechanism is on power, latency, throughput, etc.
Difference is current code does not emit heartbeats on idle engines. So
if we have a virtual engine built of say four some class engines, then
the proposal here is to keep pinging all four in parallel. Even if only
single context is executing. I am not saying that cost is big but
honestly I don't understand why it is difficult to mention this in the
commit message using clear and direct language.
My assumption is that the heartbeat is considered slow enough
periodicity that any performance impact is negligible. And if the system
is loaded to the point where the heartbeat is having an impact then all
engines within the virtual set are going to be in use (because if they
aren't then the system is obviously not heavily loaded), in which case
the heartbeat would be pinging all engines anyway.
Also, can we fix it properly without introducing inefficiencies? Do we
even need heartbeats when GuC is in charge of engine resets? And if we
do can we make them work better?
In short, no, not easily.
The GuC's internal hang detection and recovery mechanism relies on
pre-emption timeouts for the detection part. However, if only one
context is active on a given engine, there will be no pre-emptions and
thus the GuC will not be able to detect if that context is making
forward progress or not. That's where the heartbeat comes in. It sends a
dummy request on a different context and thus causes a pre-emption to
occur. So the architecture level decision was to keep the heartbeat
enabled even with the GuC submission backend. Unless you are running
OpenCL of course, in which case we turn everything off :(.
As for doing something better, not easily. GuC is not able to generate
requests itself, so it can't replicate the heartbeat's operation
internally. There is an option to force a context switch to idle on
every quantum expiration. However, that is deemed too intrusive and
costly from a performance viewpoint. It might be possible to add an
independent heartbeat timer to the GuC firmware and use that to trigger
less frequent forced pre-emptions. That would be more efficient and more
targetted. Whether it is worth the effort required is another matter
given how small an impact the heartbeat itself currently is.
Well GuC could obviously do it in many ways and not all are expensive.
If it can force a context switch on quantum expiration, it could force
it on hearbeat expiration as you say. That would actually be more proper
design than this kludge which leaves a bad taste regardless how little
cost it has. Or it could perhaps track some sort of serials in a shared
memory page.
But anyway, all I am asking here is that patch subject and commit
message are made clear and direct. Here, I add two sentences as what I
think is minimum:
drm/i915/guc: Make hangcheck work with GuC virtual engines
The serial number tracking of engines happens at the backend of
request submission and was expecting to only be given physical
engines. However, in GuC submission mode, the decomposition of virtual
to physical engines does not happen in i915. Instead, requests are
submitted to their virtual engine mask all the way through to the
hardware (i.e. to GuC). This would mean that the heart beat code
thinks the physical engines are idle due to the serial number not
incrementing. <added>Which in turns means hangcheck does not work for
GuC virtual engines.</added>
This patch updates the tracking to decompose virtual engines into
their physical constituents and tracks the request against each. This
is not entirely accurate as the GuC will only be issuing the request
to one physical engine. However, it is the best that i915 can do given
that it has no knowledge of the GuC's scheduling decisions.
<added>Downside of this is that all physical engines constituting a GuC
virtual engine will be periodically unparked (even during just a single
context executing) in order to be pinged with a heartbeat request.
However the power and performance cost of this is not expected to be
measurable (due low frequency of heartbeat pulses) and it is considered
an easier option than trying to make changes to GuC firmware.</added>
I would still be my view that the serial count should be fixed anyway.
It is broken for virtual engines. End of story. Whether that actually
affects the users of the count is a separate issue that is dependent
upon those users. But that just changes the severity of the bug, not its
validity.
It is clearly not broken for the current codebase, otherwise this patch
would come with virtual_execlists_bump_serial and would be called like
"drm/i915: Fix hangcheck on virtual engines". :)
Regards,
Tvrtko
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