> support/encouragement from the IETF (as it has for v6 over the years) > would certainly help. after all, it has so wonderfully helped ipv6 deployment. screw the ietf. get a set of usable tools actually working, in the hands of ops and users, and push until they are really usable and scalable. think about how zoom just wiped webex, teams, and hangouts off the playing field. low barrier to user entry, user simplicity, and it just works. first, eat your own dogfood. then get a set of test users. i am in a number of research groups, and academia is hitting scaling problems with zoom etc. speaking of which, how is (S, G) gonna scale if you were to haev to support many thousands of users, meetings, ...? > The current global situation is pushing the need for solutions that > enable people to gather virtually (distance learning, worship > services, movie watch parties, drinks with friends, WG meetings, etc), > which illustrates the value and role to play for multicast. oh, there's a hole. the skill will be in filling it. randy