Le 10/03/2020 à 22:29, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ a écrit :
I understand that, but what we don’t realize is that it is the same for
a flu. Some people pass away with that, and vaccines are not a 100%
secure option.
And people that is feeling well but has a flu, still go to work and
conferences and so on.
That might have some underlying problem.
From my side, I can tell the following: at work there are two things:
(1) forms to fill in by visitors and (2) they distributed by email some
posters with official diagrams about 'barrier' gestures (wash hands,
etc.) They said these will also be displayed (like in real display, not
on an LCD screen or smartphone screen). This display did not happen,
and I suppose it will not happen. I dont see myself printing it and
posting it on a wall, I guess people will look at me suspectly.
This is a bad side effect of emails and pdfs. The users of them assume
everyone else does. The users of smartphones assume everyone else does.
It's in the similar class with the mask dilemma.
I think that is one kind of underlying problem.
At this time I think it is not a problem to go to work. If I take my
car and go to work, I might be safe (?).
That is for now, but I dont know how it will evolve whether to better or
to worse.
(on a side note, I learned that at other workplaces canteens the
organizers distribute themselves the 'plateaux' to the convenees by
using gloves, which I find a good measure at this time).
Alex
I still believe that we only help to increase the fear. If we ask for
participants to bring a test to be able to participate, then I agree,
but not this way (read my previous email about the “Italian closure”).
Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet
El 10/3/20 21:33, "ietf en nombre de Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond"
<ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx <mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> en nombre de
ocl@xxxxxxx <mailto:ocl@xxxxxxx>> escribió:
I think you are missing the point. And I can say that because as late as
a couple of weeks ago, I was missing the point too.
As more and more countries are entering the tunnel of fear caused by
Covid-19, one pattern that is emerging is the exponential growth of
affected people. So 3 days ago you might have been in a country with
very few cases, and then it all blows out of proportion at an alarming
rate. The root reason of this, is that it appears that healthy segments
of the population might feel very light unease, like having light
flu-like symptoms, a slight headache, a persistent cough, nothing to
worry about really. Many people who got tested positive went around
their business for a number of days because they did not really feel
ill. And indeed the overwhelming number of people catching this virus
will sail through it in a few days with no lasting effects whatsoever..
But they will act as carriers, vectors for spreading the virus further
and this is where there is a big problem: a certain segment of the
population appears to be particularly affected, particularly senior
citizens and those with an already existing pathology, however mild that
might be.
The question we should be asking ourselves is: do we want to be vectors
for transmitting the virus and pass it on to some people who might end
up in critical condition from it?
Through the cancellation of now 5 meetings that I was supposed to attend
in March and April, I have already personally lost a lot of money. I
hate it. Some hotels and airlines are now only starting to be ready to
give me (partial) refunds under conditions, or change the dates of
travel, but my losses for the time being are still real. My business is
also suffering as I consciously know that we are heading for drastic
confinement measures like that which were needed in countries that were
affected so far - and watch as the week goes by how quickly things are
happening. There is now mass cancellation of large gatherings and whilst
I laughed about it and was quite upset about cancellations a couple of
weeks ago, I now think it's the right thing. The sooner we stop the
spread of Covid-19 the sooner we can go back to business. Whatever it takes.
Kindest regards,
Olivier
On 10/03/2020 20:57, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
Exactly! With this decision we just spread fear.
A total no-sense unless really Canada ban the meetings (and that
will allow those that pre-paid NON-REFUNDABLE rates for hotels and
flights, get it refunded).
Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet
El 10/3/20 20:46, "ietf en nombre de Mary B" <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx
<mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> en nombre de mary.h.barnes@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:mary.h.barnes@xxxxxxxxx>> escribió:
I think he stated his point very clearly - there is a broad range of
risk perceptions about COVID-19. I was all for hopping on a plane
and going to Vancouver.. Actually, if I was gonna get sick,
Vancouver is probably a much better place with better healthcare
than the US.
The worry and fear is just increasing people risks of getting sick
on the off chance they are exposed. Stress suppresses immune
function. Of course, cookies and sodas do that as well.
Regards,
Mary.
On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 2:43 PM Salz, Rich
<rsalz=40akamai.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:40akamai.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> Agreed. I can also understand why the decision took until
now. Different people's risk perceptions differ so I'm
sure others will quite reasonably disagree with me on
this, but with all the behind-the-scenes stuff that had
to be considered, in addition to the ongoing (and many
v. recent) changes people's travel plans, I do totally
get why it took 'till today to make the call.
Good. Share it with the rest of us.
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