Re: Draft IAB conflict of interest policy

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There seems to be an implication in Mike's description that I find troublesome. It may well not be intended by Mike. I apologize if I am over-reacting.

If we were to insist that WG chairs or ADs recuse themselves from taking positions on technology that matters to their employer, we would quickly find ourselves in a position where we could not get any work done. Whether vendors or operators, our leaders care about the technology we work on. They (more accurately, we) work on the stuff daily, and work on the stuff at the IETF. All of the routing ADs would probably have to recuse themselves from all of the routing work. That sounds backwards.

Yes, We do ask that folks disclose their primary affiliation. I believe we ask that for WG chairs, for ADs, and for IAB members. That gives the community the information about the situation. That is VERY different from asking folks not to participate in leadership decisions about work that may affect their employer.

Yours,
Joel

On 1/13/2020 2:23 PM, Michael StJohns wrote:
Given that IAB is in the appeals chain for protocols standards and other items, and has in the past dabbled with personnel decisions, focusing simply on finance and/or personnel seems short sighted.

I'm wondering whether it may be time to add the COI disclosures of any I* candidate to the list of material that has to be provided to the Nomcom and to make questions about those disclosures fair game for the Nomcom in selecting a slate.

While I appreciate Brian's pointer to BCP 39, it's become clear to me at least that the aspirational goal of "we participate as individuals" is not universally adhered to by all candidates to the various leadership positions.  I can't read minds to know which are, or aren't going to behave with that goal in mind.  This leads me to believe that a scaled up COI process has become more necessary across the board.

With respect to the current proposal - it's probably close to good enough, with the exception that "Covered individuals ... or third party gain" probably needs the dual of this - you can't use your position for your own (you, family, company, employer,funder) gain, or to cause a loss to a competitor.   Also - You get the benefit of the doubt if you've publicly disclosed the conflict even if you take actions that might benefit them (working for X on a protocol that's near and dear to Xs bottom line but not taking place on the IESG voting for example).  If you take any actions related to a redacted disclosee you have to show affirmatively (maybe register a statement with the lawyers) that those actions are not anti-competative or you must recuse.

Just some thoughts  - Mike


On 1/9/2020 11:57 AM, Richard Barnes wrote:
I would propose the IAB not adopt this policy, or at least scope it way down.

Much of the IAB's work is focused on technical issues, at a high enough strategic level that the impacts to specific people or companies are highly attenuated.  In those discussions, the IAB's work benefits from having diverse opinions, including the opinions of those who have skin in the game.  Trying to introduce some notion of CoI in this context would be harmful -- because there's no hard conflict, it will inevitably be vague, and thus primarily a tool for IAB members to try to silence one another or a cause for IAB members to self-censor.

Where the IAB is directly involved in finance or personnel decisions, there of course should be guards against self dealing.  That's where any CoI policy for the IAB should stop.

--Richard

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 6:16 PM IAB Chair <iab-chair@xxxxxxx <mailto:iab-chair@xxxxxxx>> wrote:

    Dear Colleagues,

    The IAB is considering adoption of the conflict of interest policy
    below.  If you have comments on this draft policy, please send
    them toiab@xxxxxxx <mailto:iab@xxxxxxx>.

    best regards,

    Ted Hardie
    for the IAB


          INTERNET ARCHITECTURE BOARD CONFLICT OF INTEREST POLICY

    This policy covers the nomcom-selected Internet Architecture Board
    (IAB) members and ex-officio members (collectively, “Covered
    Individuals”). This policy has no impact on any other participants
    in IAB activities, for instance liaisons to and from the IAB or
    IAB program members.

    In carrying out their IAB role, Covered Individuals must act in
    the best interest of the Internet community. Occasionally this
    duty may be—or may appear to be—incompatible or in conflict with a
    Covered Individual’s personal interests (including interests of
    their family members), or the interests of an organization of
    which the Covered Individual is an employee, director, owner, or
    otherwise has business or financial interest. If a Covered
    Individual has a conflict of interest for whatever reason, that
    individual must avoid participating in the work of the IAB that
    touches on the related matter.

    The IAB does not directly deal with matters relating to contracts
    or finance. The IAB does, however, have a role in personnel
    decisions, and its decisions and outputs have a potential to
    indirectly affect contracts within the IETF system. IAB's
    technical decisions and outputs have also a potential to impact
    both work elsewhere in the IETF and businesses that employ or
    develop Internet technology.

    Covered Individuals shall not use the IAB’s resources or decisions
    as a means for personal or third-party gain.


          Disclosure of Actual or Potential Conflicts

    The IAB requires that all Covered Individuals disclose their main
    employment, sponsorship, consulting customer, or other sources of
    income when joining the IAB or whenever there are updates.

    In addition, when a topic is discussed at the IAB, the Covered
    Individuals are required to promptly disclose if that topic
    constitutes a perceived or potential conflict of interest. Once
    disclosed, Covered Individuals may recuse from participation in
    discussions or decisions at their discretion.

    The specific conflicts that may cause a perceived or potential
    conflict of interest are matters for individual and IAB judgment,
    but generally come in the following forms:

     *

        A personnel decision relates to the Covered Individual, a
        colleague that the Covered Individual's works closely with, or
        a family member. For the purposes of this policy, a "person
        working closely with" is someone working in the same team or
        project, or a direct manager or employee of the Covered
        Individual. And "family" means a spouse, domestic partner,
        child, sibling, parent, stepchild, stepparent, and mother-,
        father-, son-, daughter-, brother-, or sister-in-law, and any
        other person living in the same household, except tenants and
        household employees.

     *

        A decision or output from the IAB impacts a contract that the
        IETF enters into with a party, and that party relates to the
        Covered Individual, a colleague that the Covered Individual's
        works closely with, or a family member.

     *

        Activity on the IAB involves discussion and decisions
        regarding technical matters, mainly related to IETF
        activities. As an activity adjacent to a standardization
        process, it is often the case that Covered Individuals will
        have some (frequently non-financial) stake in the outcome of
        discussions or decisions that relate to technical matters.
        This policy does not require that Covered Individuals disclose
        such conflicts of interest as they relate to technical
        matters. However, Covered Individuals need to exercise their
        judgment and, in extraordinary cases be willing to disclose
        potential or perceived conflicts of interest even as they
        relate to technical matters. For example, if a Covered
        Individual's sponsor were in the process of entering a new
        market where there is an ongoing IAB discussion, then
        disclosure, or even recusal, might be appropriate, even if
        difficult.


          Disclosure Transparency

    A person's recusal to participate in the discussion of a topic is
    always noted in the public IAB minutes. In addition, the IAB will
    maintain a repository of all general disclosures of employment and
    other sponsorship. It is expected that much of this repository is
    public, but there can be situations where some disclosures (such
    as customers of consultants) are private.



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