Joel, Agreed. And that is more or less what my notes of two days ago said. I apparently went into too much detail about the terms and the issues with them and the messages apparently got lost in the noise. best, john --On Tuesday, October 15, 2019 13:52 -0400 Joel Halpern Direct <jmh.direct@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > If we do not have agreement on what the meaning is for the > relevant terms, then either > 1) The document should not be an IETF consensus document > (which even Informational publication is) > or > 2) The document should be Experimental, indicating explicitly > that there is ambiguity in the terms, and one of the points of > the experiment would be to find out if that matters.