Hi Alissa What I meant that since this WG is chartered to address "non-technical" topics, where everyone has an opinion, my observation is that the discussions are not focused, multiple threads start to appear on the mailing list making it difficult to follow. I think that it will be good if this new WG chairs (or someone appointed by them) will try to bring such a discussion to be structured by summarizing the discussion points and the views and list the open discussion points to help with convergence (similar to meeting notes). Roni > On Oct 6, 2019, at 2:34 AM, Roni Even (A) <roni.even@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Hi, > I think this is a good idea. > I hope it will help with better convergence on some of the topic discussed on the discuss mailing list by having this WG chairs shepherding the discussion. > I am wondering if this dispatch WG will require a draft in order to start a discussion on a new topic. That seems like a good practice for the chairs to adopt at least for actual meeting presentation slots. Might be a bit of a high bar for mailing list discussion though. Alissa > It will probably require the WG chairs to be more active with bringing > new relevant items to the WG > > Roni Even > > -----Original Message----- > From: ietf [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alissa Cooper > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 1:48 AM > To: IETF > Cc: gendispatch@xxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: WG Review: General Area Dispatch (gendispatch) > > Hi all, > > The review period for this charter is a little longer than usual since this is a proposal for a process-oriented WG that did not go through the BOF process. As the charter text indicates, the idea of this WG is to help streamline the consideration of process proposals and leverage the WG chairs to help guide process discussions. Feedback is welcome. > > Thanks, > Alissa Cooper > General Area AD > > >> On Sep 26, 2019, at 11:44 PM, The IESG <iesg-secretary@xxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> A new IETF WG has been proposed in the General Area. The IESG has not >> made any determination yet. The following draft charter was >> submitted, and is provided for informational purposes only. Please >> send your comments to the IESG mailing list (iesg@xxxxxxxx) by 2019-10-11. >> >> General Area Dispatch (gendispatch) >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >> - >> Current status: Proposed WG >> >> Chairs: >> Francesca Palombini <francesca.palombini@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Pete Resnick <resnick@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >> Assigned Area Director: >> Alissa Cooper <alissa@xxxxxxxxxx> >> >> General Area Directors: >> Alissa Cooper <alissa@xxxxxxxxxx> >> >> Mailing list: >> Address: gendispatch@xxxxxxxx >> To subscribe: >> Archive: >> >> Group page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/gendispatch/ >> >> Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-gendispatch/ >> >> The GENDISPATCH working group is a DISPATCH-style working group (see >> RFC >> 7957) chartered to consider proposals for new work in the GEN area, >> including proposals for changes or improvements to the IETF process >> and process documents. The working group is chartered to identify, or >> help create, an appropriate venue for the work. The working group >> will not consider any technical standardization work. >> >> Guiding principles for the proposed new work include: >> >> 1. Providing a clear problem statement, historical context, >> motivation, and deliverables for the proposed new work. >> >> 2. Ensuring there has been adequate mailing list discussion >> reflecting sufficient interest, individuals have expressed a >> willingness to contribute (if appropriate given the subject matter of >> the proposal) and there is WG consensus before new work is dispatched. >> >> 3. Looking for and identifying commonalities and overlap amongst >> published or ongoing work in the GEN area, within the IESG, or within the IETF LLC. >> >> Options for handling new work include: >> >> - Directing the work to an existing WG. >> >> - Developing a proposal for a BOF. >> >> - Developing a charter for a new WG. >> >> - Making recommendations that documents be AD-sponsored (which ADs >> may or may not choose to follow). >> >> - Requesting that the the IESG or the IETF LLC consider taking up the work. >> >> - Deferring the decision for the new work. >> >> - Rejecting the new work. >> >> If the group decides that a particular topic needs to be addressed by >> a new WG, the normal IETF chartering process will be followed, >> including, for instance, IETF-wide review of the proposed charter. >> Proposals for large work efforts SHOULD lead to a BOF where the topic >> can be discussed in front of the entire IETF community. Documents >> progressed as AD-sponsored would typically include those that are >> extremely simple or make minor updates to existing process documents. >> >> Proposed new work may be deferred in cases where the WG does not have >> enough information for the chairs to determine consensus. New work >> may be rejected in cases where there is not sufficient WG interest or >> the proposal has been considered and rejected in the past, unless a >> substantially revised proposal is put forth, including compelling new reasons for accepting the work. >> >> A major objective of the GENDISPATCH WG is to provide timely, clear >> dispositions of new efforts. Thus, where there is consensus to take >> on new work, the WG will strive to quickly find a home for it. While >> most new work in the GEN area is expected to be considered in the >> GENDISPATCH working group, there may be times where that is not >> appropriate. At the discretion of the GEN AD, new efforts may follow >> other paths. For example, work may go directly to a BOF, may be >> initiated in other working groups when it clearly belongs in that group, or may be directly AD-sponsored. >> >> Another major objective of the GENDISPATCH WG is to streamline how >> the IETF community considers process improvements. Community >> discussions about process suggestions that begin on other mailing >> lists, including ietf@xxxxxxxx, will be redirected to the GENDISPATCH >> mailing list where they will be facilitated by the WG chairs. >> Proponents of process improvements will be encouraged to craft >> concrete proposals for discussion on the GENDISPATCH mailing list, >> with the goal of producing a concrete outcome in bounded time. Direct >> requests to the IESG may also, after proper consideration, be >> redirected to the WG. For proposals to be considered by the WG they will be expected to meet guiding principle #1 above. >> >> The existence of this working group does not change the IESG's >> responsibilities as described in RFC 3710. Work related to the IAB, >> IRTF, and RFC Editor processes is out of scope. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> IETF-Announce mailing list >> IETF-Announce@xxxxxxxx >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce >
