On 9/13/19 5:32 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >> [0] To the extent to which one believes -- mistakenly, IMO -- that >> traffic on the ietf@ list ought to be taken as a proxy for the views >> of the community. > ok. i'll bite. you have another suggestion that is not a closed space > with important people breathing each others' smoke? This is something we're going to need to deal with at some point - some number of community participants have indicated that they do not subscribe to ietf@ because of the volume/tone/low signal-to- noise ratio. Those are people who are part of the community and not participating here. We have never made an explicit decision to discount the views of people who can't/won't tolerate this mailing list but it's effectively what we're doing, I think. I don't know if that's the problem that EKR has in mind but I do think that it's one reason that the while the views expressed here are basically definitive, in terms of IETF process, they don't necessarily reflect the actual views of the community. (Maybe someone is willing to argue that that the people who remove themselves are randomly distributed with respect to the community but I seriously hope not). Melinda -- Melinda Shore melinda.shore@xxxxxxxxx Software longa, hardware brevis
