Sarah and everyone else, It has been pointed out to me off list that I didn't mention the process Heather is trying to convene to discuss general directions. I apologize; it is what happens when I try to cut a message down to shorten it. I think that is a great idea. But, in the context of my earlier note, what I'm worried about is the community perception of the credibility of the steering and decision processes. In that context, I'd like to see Heather (or a panel acting as a surrogate for Heather and her predecessors) actually have the leadership responsibility and authority for this, not just acting to convene interested people for a discussion, something that, in principle, any IETF participant could do. I hope that is a bit more clear and, again, apologies for the omission. john