On 9/3/19 7:35 AM, Ted Lemon wrote:
That is essentially what PR actions are for. Repeatedly saying the same thing is an example of abusive behavior. If you did it in a f2f conversation, people would walk away. Here, they can’t. So we need PR actions.
I respectfully disagree, for multiple reasons. One is that even a judgment of "repeatedly saying the same thing" is itself subjective. Especially over email it's normal to refine one's statements over time. To an observer who isn't watching closely, it may look as if a speaker is repeatedly saying the same thing, when that is not in fact the case.
The second reason is that accusing someone of repeatedly saying the same thing (and implied threats of PR) can itself be a bullying tactic and a form of abuse. Trying to suppress discussion on a subject important to IETF is not appropriate.
A related reason is that when a person finds himself or herself (or his or her ideas) subject to attack from multiple individuals, that person is naturally going to need to respond more often. It should not matter how many times a person or that person's ideas are attacked. Bullies in particular don't want to bother to understand the positions of those they're attacking, they just want that person to back down through sheer intimidation. What should matter is the quality of the arguments being made and whether those arguments show an to understanding of the other position(s) and willingness take it/them into account.
Keith
