Well, it happens, but that doesn't make it okay. And I hope that the community (especially chairs and ADs) are aware enough to apply appropriately gentle backpressure when it happens. -Ben On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 01:57:00PM -0700, Charlie Perkins wrote: > Hello John, > > Just curious -- are there really working groups where it's O.K. to be > gratuitously unpleasant? I admit to being quite surprised! I haven't > seen much of that kind of behavior for a long time... > > .... thank goodness. But maybe I'm just not in those working groups? > > Regards, > Charlie P. > > > On 3/25/2019 12:35 PM, John R Levine wrote: > > > > Both, really, and I think they're related. To the extent that the > > IETF seems like an old boys' club where it's acceptable to be > > gratuitously unpleasant, we discourage people who already have to deal > > with too much of that. > > > > Regards, > > John Levine, johnl@xxxxxxxxx, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY >