Fwiw,
On Tue, Dec 11, 2018, 20:34 tjw ietf <tjw.ietf@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
I can not agree with mr Farrell enough on this.
Tim
>From my high tech gadget
> On Dec 11, 2018, at 19:20, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> Hiya,
>
>> On 11/12/2018 23:58, Warren Kumari wrote:
>> * having some presentations / discussions on "how X works when deployed /
>> implementation shortcomings". As an example, at the IEPG meeting in
>> Yokohama (IETF94) these was a presentation on "MODERN ROUTER ARCHITECTURE
>> FOR PROTOCOL DESIGNERS" -
>> http://www.iepg.org/2015-11-01-ietf94/IEPG-RouterArchitecture-jgs.pdf . As
>> another example, I was recently informed of a surprising limitation in TLS
>> libraries -- these are apparently well known to those who work in this
>> space, but I'd certainly never heard of them. I think that we (IETF
>> participants in general) sometimes fall into believing that we know how
>> technology X works because we've helped design it, but don't necessarily
>> know what happens once it escapes our clutches / flies out of the nest.
>> * consider having a BoF on this / these topics.
>> * perhaps something like a workshop?
>
> Maybe consider moving IEPG to a more prime-time IETF
> meeting week slot? (Or any equivalent.) The couple of
> times I've gotten to IEPG, I was struck by how it was
> higher quality than average IETF presentations. For
> me, I always really like finding out about cases where
> reality != theory and I bet I'm far from alone.
>
> So, I'd argue a bit against a one-off BoF or workshop
> and more for a recurring opportunity for fact-based
> detailed presentations.
I agree with Stephen, and moving IEPG off Sunday morning actually maps onto the stated intent of recent IESGs and IABs to improve communication and interaction. You know this, but others may not know that the IESG has a standing meeting on Sunday mornings each IETF week, so the IESG is less aware of IEPG discussions than most IETF participants.
I don't think we have to choose between moving IEPG and having a workshop, and maybe even a BOF. If we move IEPG and the community is more aware of operator positions, workshops and BOFs might be better informed.
Is it premature to ask the nice IEPG people about this? A move would need to work for them, too.
Spencer
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