Re: meeting in other places

JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> · Thu, 22 Mar 2018 09:35:28 +0000

May be not … In most of the ME countries, an issue is the non-filtered connectivity.

We had a RIPE meeting last October in Dubai, and many apps (even VoIP), where filtered and unless the government agrees to provide a completely unfiltered network to IETF, then it is against our policy and we can’t have a meeting there (and I agree with that).

Regards,
Jordi

De: ietf <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> en nombre de Anton Ivanov <anton.ivanov@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Fecha: jueves, 22 de marzo de 2018, 9:31
Para: Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "ietf@xxxxxxxx" <ietf@xxxxxxxx>
Asunto: Re: meeting in other places

Not relevant.

As a person I have no issues with travelling to Egypt. As an employee - computer says no and arguing is pointless. 

It is a no and there is no point to discuss it any further until the state department or fco advice changes. 

Other places in the middle East with less ominous travel advice may be an option. 

A. 
On 22 March 2018 09:25:22 GMT+00:00, Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
This warning does not reflects the actual status of the country, we have a stable situation now here after having a president and government for a long time, and what happens sometimes in sinai happens in many other countries, but in Cairo it is totally different.

Khaled

From: Anton Ivanov <anton.ivanov@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 10:58:13 AM
To: Khaled Omar; ietf@xxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: meeting in other places 

The company travel policies are usually set to reflect what the local foreign office equivalent says.

Example for UK: https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/egypt

Based on the run-down in that page the reaction of a UK company would be that a conference there is a no-go territory and it may not be covered by the company travel insurance.

Other companies/countries operate in a similar manner. 

A
On 03/22/18 08:46, Khaled Omar wrote:
> When Egypt is off the travel warning list in most of the world - maybe.
There is no reason to be on the warning list, now everything is stable, but does this means that people cannot travel to Egypt or it is just a warning?
Khaled

From: Anton Ivanov
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: meeting in other places
To: ietf@xxxxxxxx

On 21/03/18 21:16, Khaled Omar wrote: >> A few years ago, I suggested in the open mike, in several consecutive meetings, that we should go to Africa and Latin America. > I suggested too before to held one of the IETF meetings in Cairo, Egypt and I'm not talking about tourism, there are many different hotels here that can handle the large number of participants in addition to the sessions' halls. Sure. When Egypt is off the travel warning list in most of the world - maybe. Before that - no. A. > > Egypt is in the middle of the world, it will allow fair distances for everyone, also the weather here is warm almost all year max 38 C and min 15 C without rain or snow. > >> but the region rotation need to start changing and allowing that. > I agree with that.. > >> the registration fee should be reduced or made almost free. > This is something that should be taken into consideration, if that is not possible, there should be some sponsorships for a small number of participants to enable them to attend the meeting in person. > > Best Regards, > > Khaled > > -----Original Message----- > From: ietf [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 10:29 PM > To: IETF discussion list > Subject: meeting in other places > > A few years ago, I suggested in the open mike, in several consecutive meetings, that we should go to Africa and Latin America. > > I was almost killed because that. > > Then, we went to Buenos Aires and nobody had any issue compared with the regular issues that happen in other locations (cookies, pick-pockets, and so .... choose your preferred one). > > I didn't get yet a meeting in Africa. Is time for it! > > Of course, if venues can accommodate us. I know very well how difficult is to find a venue for our group. I'm not trying to break those rules, but the region rotation need to start changing and allowing that. > > Considering the actual conversation in the plenary, I think is time to seriously consider *urgently* to return to Latin America and look for locations in Africa, more locations in Asia Pacific, and so on. > > Also, I think it is clear that if we really want to share expenses, thinks said today need to be considered: > 1) Ideally, the registration fee should be reduced or made almost free. We need to find better funding, or even study with ISOC if there are able to increase our funding towards that. > 2) Remote participants should share part of the cost. > 3) Local participants don't have (same) traveling expenses, so they should also cover some extra cost. > > Regards, > Jordi > > > > > ********************************************** > IPv4 is over > Are you ready for the new Internet ? > http://www.consulintel.es > The IPv6 Company > > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it. > > > 

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