Re: Individual Draft Submissions.

[Khaled Omar <eng.khaled.omar@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

> Anyone with a IPv4 host can bring up a tunnel with a IPv6 tunnel provider 
and communicate with everyone on IPv6. 

This cannot be achieved, you can make for example a tunnel to allow IPv6 hosts to communicate through an IPv4 network.

> In reality IPv6 only hosts are being deployed behind translating gateways
and can communicate with the entire IPv4 world.

True, but using only hostnames, and the reverse is not applicable.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Individual Draft Submissions.
From: Mark Andrews
To: Khaled Omar
CC: Brian E Carpenter ,ietf

> On 8 Feb 2018, at 1:53 pm, Khaled Omar wrote:
>
> > Well draft-omar-ipv10-XX and draft-omar-ipmix-XX provide NOTHING THAT IS NEW.
> You don’t even summarise the existing technology accurately. Traffic will
> switch over to IPv6. All that is required is time. Large amounts of traffic
> already goes from IPv6 hosts at one end to IPv4 hosts at the other end. Some
> of that is initiated from IPv4, some from IPv6. Most equipment that you buy
> today is IPv6 capable.
>
> I do not understand what this means.

Lets take this claim from your draft.

22 years have passed since IPv6 was developed, but no full migration
happened till now and this would cause the Internet to be divided
into two parts, as IPv4 still dominating on the Internet traffic
(85% as measured by Google in April, 2017) and new Internet hosts
will be assigned IPv6-only addresses and be able to communicate with
15% only of the Internet services and apps.

In reality IPv6 only hosts are being deployed behind translating gateways
and can communicate with the entire IPv4 world. For the cases where they
are servers, protocol translators with dedicated IPv4 address are deployed.
With MAP-E and MAP-T you can publish A addresses along with port information
to provide services to IPv4 clients as the those are stateless translations
mechanisms.

Anyone with a IPv4 host can bring up a tunnel with a IPv6 tunnel provider
and communicate with everyone on IPv6.

The problem you are trying to solve cannot be solved with more RFCs. It
isn’t a technical problem. It is at this stage a political problem. It
is a education problem.

If you want to speed things up you need to talk to Governments and convince
them to mandate that IPv6 be provided.

Mark

> > As for draft-omar-krp-XX, it is completely unrealistic. I suggest that you
> talk to network operators to understand why.
>
> It requires good organizing to work perfectly.
>
> Khaled

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