Hi Andrew, On 12/01/2018 10:03, Andrew Sullivan wrote: ... > People who don't know what an IETF is sometimes have occasion to need > to know, and what they will do is put "IETF" into their favourite way > of searching and end up at the front website page. If that front page > is overwhelmingly arranged to meet the needs of those who already know > what an IETF is, then the new curious people will effectively be > turned away. This has been a problem for the IETF in its relationship > with others: it makes it harder to persuade others that the IETF > really is offering useful, contemporary standards for how the Internet > does and should work. > > Therefore, IETF participants are being asked to endure the > inconvenience of moving their most-used stuff to a different place, so > that the other audience can be addressed. My understanding was that human-intensive maintenance of the pages was also an issue, so my attitude was that we have to tolerate some of the undesirable side-effects of modern "web site design" to reduce the maintenance OPEX. And we have to better accomodate smart phones, with other undesirable side-effects. Not to mention accessibility issues. I think the problem of new people finding themselves on the home page could have easily been fixed on the old site by adding a prominent "Who we are and what we do" link there. (There has been a link there for newcomers for years, but that was aimed at new *participants*, not random people. > > I think it reasonable to take issue with broken links (which I believe > are being rectified -- i.e. I think this must be a bug, since the > plans were always not to break any links). I think it was not to break any *important* links, wasn't it? There was a quite long list of "sacred" links that was available for community comment. If your favourite link is not in there, you know who to blame. If a link in that list is broken, the contractor is to blame. I'm not sure if it's the final version, but a version is included in https://iaoc.ietf.org/documents/IETF-Website-SOW-20140604-Final.pdf Regards, Brian