--On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 15:44 +0100 Adrian Farrel <adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Well, > > I do think that if the slides were available to be posted > ahead of time, the chairs could make sure they are > appropriate, sufficiently few in number, in the right font, > etc., and the participants who want to could look at the > slides in advance. > To be honest, posting slides ahead of time is not rocket > science and wen it doesn't happen it is often (barring the > usual excuses) pretty unprofessional. > Am I being overly smug? In at least two ways, possibly so, but I'd describe it less as "smug" than as missing part of the problem. First, although it is rare (more rare than it should be, IMO), there are meeting sessions in which parts of slides are highlighted during a presentation and, more important, are marked up in real time as the presentation goes forward. Static slides posted pre-meeting are a fairly poor approximation to that. Second, while I sympathize with Spencer's problem (and, being both older and dimmer of vision than he is, have definitely had it at meetings), there is another complication. If one needs to simultaneously follow, e.g., a Jabber session and look at the slides, there is often a size and screen real estate management and focus-maintaining problem with a typical laptop setup, At some meetings I've dealt with the problem by downloading important the slides and printing them out, then balancing a pile of paper on the laptop keyboard, but that has disadvantages too (tree-killing not being the only one). Speaking personally, while it is not high on the list of reasons I'm not there in person, I'm actually better off from the standpoint of slide readability when I'm sitting at home with a desktop machine and two fairly large screens than I am in many IETF meeting rooms. But, even then, if I can't read the slides through Meetecho, I start feeling as if I need three screens, one for slides, one for Jabber, and one for whatever is going on in Meetecho. That is partially an element of what I thing are some unfortunate screen layout choices with Meetecho that I discussed with that team on and off for years but it is today's reality. However, more important than Spencer's vision issues (and mine), every study of effective presentations I know of suggests strongly that one minimize the number of text on slides, using them to highlight only an outline or most important points, and that slides dense enough to be read the whole presentation from them, full-text documents, etc., tend to be distracting rather than helpful. I understand (and have taken advantage of) the advantages of having relatively full text if one is trying to work limitations in ability to understand the speaker, but that is really something that should be dealt with as a separate problem (and can be if we are really convinced it is important enough). best, john