On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 07:38:20 +0200, a linux hacker wrote privately: > > Ive used it because my linux laptop wouldnt bind to anything else. Not > sure why. this is a case that worries me deeply. folk with issues should visit the help desk in the terminal-less room or visit the noc. On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 07:54:44 +0200, Eliot Lear wrote: > > Why not just turn it off and see what happens? because the noc thinks of the attendees as those strange critters called "customers." this creates implications for service continuity. On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 08:46:11 +0200, Christian Huitema wrote: > > You may want to tabulate the OS version of the devices on the > un-encrypted network. Can your DHCP server do that? That should give you > some indication. i proposed measuring a number of aspects of use of ietf-legacy, mostly port use; wanting to get a feel if the use was protected above layer three. i specifically avoided proposing looking inside the packsts as i do not have time to deal rigorously with the PII issues. when i asked if i could measure port use, i was asked to write up a formal project description. as this is not my paying $dayjob, i hit delete. for me, the botttom line here is please try networks other than ietf-legacy. if you have problems which drive you to legacy, please come to the noc and debug. this is something to be revisited when we know more. thanks for the clues. randy