I would support this, if we remove Friday from the official calendar of meetings. Because then, I could expect to get back a weekend, where currently 14+ hr flights in and out mean I lose two weekends per IETF, I would lose only one. So whilst I think 'desire/reality' has applied here and what you have done formalizes what we know has happened, I would like the extension act which you can't yet do: give us back one day please. -george PS the last time I raised this was probably 10 years ago. There is a strong cultural push not to work specifically on Saturday, which I understand, and I also understand there is a strong cultural push not to work or travel on friday or saturday which I understand. I just don't belong to those cultures, but I do understand this is a problem for some people. I think my proposal is actually strictly neutral on that, but arguably not. On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Randy Bush <randy@xxxxxxx> wrote: >>>The problem is that we now are expected to have work going non stop >>>from Saturday to Friday. 7 full days. Maybe I am just old, but that >>>does not look healthy. >> I believe Christian's question is an attempt to prompt us to reassess >> that reality and its sustainability, which seems a fair question to >> consider. > > and it would help if the *quality* of the week was higher. time and > again, i have found the wg meeting to be a formalism, 25% process and > 72% slideshow for those who need a preso slot to get travel approval. > for serious content, we retreat into side meetings, bar bofs, and > off-campus meals to have actual *discussion*. and why endure extreme > travel if not to have discussion instead of process and powerpoint? > > but ignore my whining. i do not know any meeting of more than a hundred > which is mostly protein. i.e. i have no model for 'success.' > > randy >