On 6/21/17, 9:53 AM, "ietf on behalf of Christian Huitema" <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx on behalf of huitema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >On 6/21/2017 5:46 AM, Bob Hinden wrote: > >> Alissa, >> >>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 3:34 PM, Alissa Cooper <alissa@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Based on a suggestion from Paul Hoffman, the IESG believes it would be >>>beneficial to denote the official start of IETF meetings to be on >>>Saturday rather than Sunday, starting with IETF 100. We believe this >>>would be sensible given that events such as the hackathon and code >>>sprint start on Saturday, and may make it easier for some participants >>>to get travel approval to attend those events. This change would be >>>reflected in the dates posted on the IETF web site and sent out in >>>email announcements. We are not proposing any changes in terms of the >>>scheduling of any meeting-related events, the full availability of the >>>meeting network starting on Sunday, the opening of on-site >>>registration, or the meeting fee. >>> >The problem is that we now are expected to have work going non stop from >Saturday to Friday. 7 full days. Maybe I am just old, but that does not >look healthy. > >-- Christian Huitema That’s already what many of us do, with 12-16 hour days, following our regular work week the previous week, and slipping actual travel time in between other work. It’s not that anybody expects me to work that amount of time, it’s just that that’s the amount of work I need to get done during IETF weeks. Many times I’ve had people want to schedule hours-long meetings on Sunday “before” IETF, but I have IETF commitments that day. So this updating the description to match reality. Having said that, I’ll argue my own point: are the Saturday-Sunday events actually IETF activities? If “the work of the IETF” is just the set of stuff contained in WGs and maybe BoFs, then the meeting is Monday-Friday. If the Hackathon, Code Sprint, Tutorials, IEPG, and receptions are IETF activities, then the meeting is Saturday-Friday, though many people may elect not to arrive until later. Lee