Hi, Roni — You seem to be assuming that a refresh and an upgrade are two different actions. That’s not the intention — a refresh is a characteristic of a stream that allows a decoder to upgrade. I’ll try to draft some text that makes it clear that it’s possible either to independently upgrade temporal or spatial, or else upgrade both at once. > On Jun 11, 2017, at 7:20 AM, Roni Even <roni.even@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Hi Jonathan, > I assume the new text you propose is > > "When C is 1, TTID MUST NOT be less than CTID, and TLID MUST NOT be > less than CLID; at least one of TTID or TLID MUST be greater than > CTID or CLID respectively. That is to say, the target layer index > <TTID, TLID> MUST be a layer upgrade from the current layer index > <CTID, CLID>. A sender MAY request an upgrade in both temporal and > spatial/quality layers simultaneously." > > I think that this text still only implies the behavior, also the current text talks about upgrade but I assume it is also for a refresh not only to upgrade > > Maybe " A sender MAY request an upgrade or refresh in both temporal and > spatial/quality layers simultaneously by either having C =1 or by having both CLID and CTID with lower values then TTID and TLID. If the sender want to upgrade or refresh only one layer then C MUST be equal to 1 and only the CTID or the CLID of the layer to be upgraded or refreshed should be lower than the TTID or TLID respectively " > > > Roni >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jonathan Lennox [mailto:jonathan@xxxxxxxxx] >> Sent: יום ד 07 יוני 2017 18:30 >> To: Roni Even >> Cc: Roni Even; draft-ietf-avtext-lrr.all@xxxxxxxx; General Area Review Team; >> avtext@xxxxxxxx; ietf@xxxxxxxx >> Subject: Re: Genart last call review of draft-ietf-avtext-lrr-05 >> >> >>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 1:15 AM, Roni Even <roni.even@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Jonathan, >>> I did not see the text you added yet as a response to my first >>> question So to better clarify my question . If the FCI has TTID=0 and TLID=2 . >> does it mean that it is a request to update both? >>> This was also the reason for the question about both TTID=0 and TLID=0, >> which layer need update or is it both? >>> Can you say that you want just to update temporal or spatial? >> >> Yes, if the FCI has TTID=0 and TLID=2, it’s a request to update both layers — >> or more specifically, to make sure that you can start decoding the substream >> with TTID=0 and TLID=2. (For most scalability structures this would mean >> updating both, but exotic structures are possible.) >> >> If you want to just update one part of the stream, that’s what CTID and CLID >> are for. If you sent TTID=0 and TLID=2, accompanied by CTID=0 and CLID=0, >> that means that you already have TID 0, and you just want to increase the >> LID. >> >> The current text is at https://github.com/juberti/draughts/tree/master/lrr , >> if you want to take a look at the latest revisions, or suggest text that you >> think would make it cleaner. >> >> >>> Roni >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Gen-art [mailto:gen-art-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jonathan >>>> Lennox >>>> Sent: יום ד 07 יוני 2017 00:30 >>>> To: Roni Even >>>> Cc: draft-ietf-avtext-lrr.all@xxxxxxxx; General Area Review Team; >>>> avtext@xxxxxxxx; ietf@xxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: Re: [Gen-art] Genart last call review of >>>> draft-ietf-avtext-lrr-05 >>>> >>>> Hi, Roni — thanks for your review. Responses inline. >>>> >>>>> On Jun 1, 2017, at 2:53 AM, Roni Even <ron.even.tlv@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Reviewer: Roni Even >>>>> Review result: Ready with Issues >>>>> >>>>> I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area >>>>> Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by >>>>> the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like >>>>> any other last call comments. >>>>> >>>>> For more information, please see the FAQ at >>>>> >>>>> <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/gen/wiki/GenArtfaq>. >>>>> >>>>> Document: draft-ietf-avtext-lrr-?? >>>>> Reviewer: Roni Even >>>>> Review Date: 2017-05-31 >>>>> IETF LC End Date: 2017-06-08 >>>>> IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat >>>>> >>>>> Summary: >>>>> The document is ready with issues for a standard track RFC Major >>>>> issues: >>>>> >>>>> Minor issues: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Can you specify both TTID and TLID in the same FCI. >>>> >>>> Syntactically, they must both occur. >>>> >>>> If you mean can you request an upgrade in both at once, yes; I’ve >>>> added text to clarify this. >>>> >>>>> 2. What is the meaning of value 0 for TTID and TLID - TID or LID =0 >>>>> in frame marking draft means base layer if there is scalability. >>>>> This relates to the previous question. >>>> >>>> I’m not sure I understand this question. >>>> >>>> I’ve added text that if C=1, at least one of <TTID, TLID> MUST be >>>> greater than <CTID, CLID>, and both MUST be greater than or equal to >>>> their counterpart, so the LRR is actually requesting a layer upgrade. >>>> Is that what you were asking about? >>>> >>>>> 3. What would an FCI with both TTID and TLID equal 0 mean. >>>> >>>> It means you want a refresh of the base temporal/spatial layer, only. >>>> >>>>> Nits/editorial comments: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Section 3 "an Real-Time Transport Control Protocol" should be "a >>>>> Real…". >>>> >>>> Colin pointed out that it should say “an RTP Control Protocol” anyway. >>>> >>>>> 2. In section 3 " [RFC5104](Section 3.5.1)" there is a link to >>>>> section >>>>> 3.5.1 but it does not work. >>>> >>>> xml2rfc doesn’t have any way to link to sections of other documents, >>>> so the “(Section 3.5.1)” part is just a comment. >>>> >>>> I think the internet-draft tooling may have thought I was trying to >>>> link to a non-existent section 3.5.1 of this document, but that’s outside >> my control. >>>> >>>>> 3. In section 3.2 "(see section Section 2.1)" section appears twice. >>>> >>>> Fixed. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Gen-art mailing list >>>> Gen-art@xxxxxxxx >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gen-art >