Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-6man-rfc4291bis-07.txt> (IP Version 6 Addressing Architecture) to Internet Standard

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Le 14/02/2017 à 20:18, David Farmer a écrit :
So I hear you saying something like the following would be appropriate
in your opinion;

However, the Interface ID of all unicast addresses is required to be 64
bit with the exception of the following; addresses for point-to-point
links [RFC6164], Network-Specific Prefixes used for IPv4/IPv6
Translators [RFC6052], and addresses that start with the binary value 000.

... and other manually configured one-to-one subnets on shared Ethernet, using arbitrary prefix lengths such as /56 and /60, as witnessed in some trials[*].

Alex
[*] details available upon request.


While this is the less preferred approach as far as I'm concerned, I
believe it resolves the issue I raised.

Thanks.

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 10:07 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
<jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

    I understand that, but those are two clear exceptions, no others
    should be “allowed” by default.

    Keeping the door open is not good in my opinion. Specific exceptions
    must be taken in consideration one by one.

    Regards,
    Jordi


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    De: ietf <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx <mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx>> en
    nombre de David Farmer <farmer@xxxxxxx <mailto:farmer@xxxxxxx>>
    Responder a: <farmer@xxxxxxx <mailto:farmer@xxxxxxx>>
    Fecha: martes, 14 de febrero de 2017, 17:03
    Para: Jordi Palet Martinez <jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
    CC: 6man WG <ipv6@xxxxxxxx <mailto:ipv6@xxxxxxxx>>,
    <draft-ietf-6man-rfc4291bis@xxxxxxxx
    <mailto:draft-ietf-6man-rfc4291bis@xxxxxxxx>>, IETF-Discussion
    Discussion <ietf@xxxxxxxx <mailto:ietf@xxxxxxxx>>,
    <6man-chairs@xxxxxxxx <mailto:6man-chairs@xxxxxxxx>>
    Asunto: Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-6man-rfc4291bis-07.txt> (IP
    Version 6 Addressing Architecture) to Internet Standard

        The problem we want it to be 64 bits except when it's not
    suppose to be, such as RFC6164 for point-to-point and RFC6052 for
    IPv4/IPv6 translators with /96 Network-Specific Prefix.

        On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 9:53 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
    <jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jordi.palet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

        Agree, we shouldn’t change that. Must be 64 bits.

        Regards,
        Jordi


        -----Mensaje original-----
        De: ietf <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx <mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx>>
    en nombre de David Farmer <farmer@xxxxxxx <mailto:farmer@xxxxxxx>>
        Responder a: <farmer@xxxxxxx <mailto:farmer@xxxxxxx>>
        Fecha: martes, 14 de febrero de 2017, 16:27
        Para: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:brian.e.carpenter@xxxxxxxxx>>
        CC: <draft-ietf-6man-rfc4291bis@xxxxxxxx
    <mailto:draft-ietf-6man-rfc4291bis@xxxxxxxx>>, <6man-chairs@xxxxxxxx
    <mailto:6man-chairs@xxxxxxxx>>, 6man WG <ipv6@xxxxxxxx
    <mailto:ipv6@xxxxxxxx>>, IETF-Discussion Discussion <ietf@xxxxxxxx
    <mailto:ietf@xxxxxxxx>>
        Asunto: Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-6man-rfc4291bis-07.txt> (IP
    Version 6 Addressing Architecture) to Internet Standard

            Actually, in addition to your text there still needs to be a
    recommendation for 64 bit IIDs in all other cases.  64 bit IIDs
    are(and should remain) the norm for IPv6, I do not want to change
    that.  But the current language say IIDs are always 64 bit except
    when an address begins with binary 000, leaving no room for any
    other exception.  And this is plainly incorrect, I provided two
    clear exceptions that are already standardized.  Furthermore, IIDs
    other than 64 bits are in operational use, with manual configuration
    and DHCPv6.
            So I'd suggest;

            However, the Interface ID of unicast addresses used for
            Stateless Address Autoconfiguration [RFC4862] is required
            to be 64 bits long, in all other cases it is recommended to
            be 64 bits long.

            The other option is to enumerate all the exceptions,
    requiring the document to be updated every time a new exception is
    standardized.

            On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Brian E Carpenter
    <brian.e.carpenter@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:brian.e.carpenter@xxxxxxxxx>>
    wrote:

            At an earlier stage I suggested restricting the applicability
            of the "However..." sentence to SLAAC [RFC4862]. A short way
            of doing this would be

            However, the Interface ID of unicast addresses used for
            Stateless Address Autoconfiguration [RFC4862] is required
            to be 64 bits long.

            Regards
               Brian

            On 14/02/2017 11:32, David Farmer wrote:
            > I have concerns with the following text;
            >
            >    IPv6 unicast routing is based on prefixes of any valid
    length up to
            >    128 [BCP198].  For example, [RFC6164] standardises 127
    bit prefixes
            >    on inter-router point-to-point links. However, the
    Interface ID of
            >    all unicast addresses, except those that start with the
    binary value
            >    000, is required to be 64 bits long.  The rationale for
    the 64 bit
            >    boundary in IPv6 addresses can be found in [RFC7421]
            >
            > The third sentence seems to limit exceptions to 64 bit
    IIDs to exclusively
            > addresses that start with binary vale of 000.  There are
    at least two other
            > exceptions from standards track RFCs, that should be more
    clear accounted
            > for in this text.  First is [RFC6164] point-to-point
    links, as mentioned in
            > the previous sentence.  I think the clear intent of
    [RFC6164] is to allow
            > one(1) Bit IIDs for point to point-to-point links using
    any Global Unicast
            > Address, not just those that start with 000.  Second is,
    [RFC6052], which
            > updates [RFC4921] and seems to allow 32 bit IIDs or /96
    prefixes for any
            > Global Unicast Address when used for IPv4/IPv6
    translation, referred to as
            > ""Network-Specific Prefix" unique to the organization
    deploying the address
            > translators," in section 2.2 of [RFC6052].
            >
            > Thanks.
            >
            > On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 5:51 PM, The IESG
    <iesg-secretary@xxxxxxxx <mailto:iesg-secretary@xxxxxxxx>> wrote:
            >
            >>
            >> The IESG has received a request from the IPv6 Maintenance
    WG (6man) to
            >> consider the following document:
            >> - 'IP Version 6 Addressing Architecture'
            >>   <draft-ietf-6man-rfc4291bis-07.txt> as Internet Standard
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            >>    This specification defines the addressing architecture
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            >>    Version 6 (IPv6) protocol.  The document includes the
    IPv6 addressing
            >>    model, text representations of IPv6 addresses,
    definition of IPv6
            >>    unicast addresses, anycast addresses, and multicast
    addresses, and an
            >>    IPv6 node's required addresses.
            >>
            >>    This document obsoletes RFC 4291, "IP Version 6 Addressing
            >>    Architecture".
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            >> The file can be obtained via
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