At Thu, 9 Feb 2017 18:30:11 -0300, Fernando Gont <fgont@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: While I largely agree with Fernando on everything he said, I have to admit most of the points are just repeated from the 6man discussion, and won't get us anywhere new by discussing these again at this point. I guess the only new input for the IETF last call is this: > 2) However, some folks came up with proposals to insert EH, on the basis > that "RFC2460 does not explicitly ban EH insertion". If there's people > arguing that, we clearly need to make this clear in the spec. > > 3) There was a consensus call, yes. When the call was made on the > mailing-list, the vast majority of supporters of "let's keep the > ambiguity" were folks from the same company as "2)". I have no idea if > this changes (or not) "consensus"... but this is clearly an important > datapoint. Although I don't want to point a finger at particular people or organizations without an evidence, I guess not a small number of 6man participants (not only those who explicitly spoke up here) suspected that the decision process was biased with the influence of a large and powerful organization and the process and resulting "consensus" was not really a fair one. And I'm not an exception to it - in fact, it was so unbelievable to me that we can't clarify an ambiguity even when we were also open for future extensions, that I couldn't think of other reasons than a company agenda. Of course, it's quite possible that it was just a coincidence that many people with the same organization genuinely thought we should leave it ambiguous while many others strongly thought we should clarify it but few (if not no) people from that organization supported the clarification. But I don't think we can prove it either way. But as Fernando said, I believe this point (and that several, and arguably more, participants suspected it) should be included in making the decision at the IESG and at the IETF last call. And, whatever the decision, it would be more productive to move on after that and use our time for some other things. I'll shut up here on this so I won't be a cause of another 600+ email thread. -- JINMEI, Tatuya