>> demonetize IPv4 addresses and the problem will solve itself. > Do you have some magic wand that can make that happen? i thought we were talking enterprise. cost of space in 10/8 is halving hourly. until we provide an easier and cheaper approach than nat, the enterprises will continue to nat. instead we tell them that they are stupid and do not understand the true religion; and when they finally do, the light of day will shine upon them. problem is that folk have been blowing sunshine up their trousers/skirts since dirt was invented; they just ignore it and do what is best for their bottom line this quarter. randy