Re: DMARC methods in mailman (off-topic)

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On 12/22/2016 5:46 PM, S Moonesamy wrote:
Hi Hector,
At 13:12 22-12-2016, Hector Santos wrote:
Is that the new modus operandi within the IETF, that extremely weak,
poorly engineered Informational Docs can be fast tracked as a
"standard" in the IETF?

The way to publish an IETF Proposed Standard or IETF Informational
document has been the same for over a decade.  I don't think that the
IETF has changed its way of doing that.

Well, for a while now, there has a number of efforts to fast track items using Informational Status submissions which has, no doubt, been leveraged as a means to bypass critical IETF reviews. DMARC is most definitely one of them. Lets not fool ourselves.

For all intent and purposes, DMARC has been pushed as a "standard" work item within the IETF working group(s). Additional add-ons and higher overhead mail altering suggestions are being proposed to address problems it causes. The same problem ADSP was abandoned for.

We might call it a "pseudo-standard" because of wide usage but in reality it is still an informational status document. That should change so it can get the proper status and wider and more complete engineering reviews, and frankly more serious considerations. Since ADSP was abandoned, a large investment was lost. I have a problem of fully committing to a Informational Status DMARC protocol that has the same problems ADSP had. Why should I further invest in it?

I support an IETF standardization effort of DMARC with a charter that includes development of additional options we need in order to support 3rd party Authorization method with the expansion of policy options and plus relaxation of any reporting requirements.

If we had completed this work when ADSP was the proposed standard, we would of been done with this issue long ago or at least completed to the point where List systems would be in a better position to adjust with a simpler policy DNS lookup protocol. Its been over 10 years now. Something has to give with this work already.

Thanks

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HLS





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