> -----Original Message----- > From: ietf [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob Hinden > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 11:49 AM > To: Ted Lemon > Cc: Bob Hinden; IETF > Subject: Re: IETF Mailing Lists and DMARC > > Ted, > > > What is _not_ okay, and totally not acceptable, is to continue > > allowing things to be broken after three years. > > While I agree that it has been broken for a long time and would be good to > fix, I note that understanding the problem does not mean there is a > workable solution. From reading this thread, it sounds to me that if there > was a workable solution, it would have been fixed by now. The potential > solutions being proposed, appear to have side effect worse than than the > original problem. > The underlying question is more along the lines of "workable for whom?" The various proposed solutions require change on the part of one or more parties/constituencies. To some extent change=pain for one or more of those constituencies. When we talk about a "workable solution", are we only talking about IETF lists? Mike