I'm sorry, John, but I reject your assertion that the solution to this problem is to participate in a standards process until a solution finally comes forth. The situation as it exists today is preventing IETF consensus from happening as it should, and getting in the way of the functioning of nomcom. This is not acceptable. As Brandon has said, we already know how to solve this problem. Solving it is an ops problem, not a standards development problem. It would be great if we had a standard that solved it, but we don't. And Brian Carpenter, if there is a way to configure mailman to do what you propose, this would be fine too. But we have to do one of those two things. What is _not_ okay, and totally not acceptable, is to continue allowing things to be broken after three years. On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 6:25 PM, John Levine <johnl@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>I think it’s time we did something, because it doesn’t look like DMARC is going away or getting any less common. > > Anyone who cares about this should definitely join the DMARC WG and > follow the ARC work. You can even talk to the Google people who > are participating there. > > R's, > John >