> That said, I'm not sure we have a concrete proposal for a thing to do. if you write a draft and have running example code, you are accused to be just coming to the ietf for a rubber stamp (cf. sidr). if you have a draft and no code, idiots such as i comment that the rubber meets the sky. if you have code but no draft, you're a undisciplined hacker, unless we're in an even numbered year where we're trying to snuggle up to code. imiho, we would benefit from making it easier to come in with a draft and code, the first above. randy