John, Paul let me ask the obvious question. What were you expecting the Open Internet Endowment to do beyond the IETF? Outreach to National Regulatory Authorities, for instance? Support for independent research beyond IRTF? Better funding for young technologists? It’s a serious question. ISOC’s mission statement isself relatively amorphous. — Richard Shockey Shockey Consulting LLC Chairman of the Board SIP Forum www.shockey.us www.sipforum.org richard<at>shockey.us Skype-Linkedin-Facebook rshockey101 PSTN +1 703-593-2683 On 7/12/16, 1:16 PM, "ietf on behalf of Paul Wouters" <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx on behalf of paul@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: On Tue, 12 Jul 2016, John C Klensin wrote: > I signed up for, and contributed to, the Open Internet Endowment > based on commitments that its mission would be very broad, not > be turned into an IETF support fund. I don't believe donors > were even superficially consulted about the change. What would > happen if I (and maybe others who feel the same way) were to ask > for refunds on the basis that we never agreed to repurposing of > the funds? I am in the same position. I feel a bit weird about it. I would not have donated if it was just for IETF - I'm already mostly self-funded on that. So I was a bit disappointed when this initiative turned out to be an IETF fund. Paul