"The material posted as IPR disclosures should be viewed as originating from the source of that information, and any issue or question related to the material should be directed to the source rather than the IETF. There is no implied endorsement or agreement by the IETF or the IESG with any of the material." I read that text as being a no-op. If there is legal advice that it is not a no-op, fine, but it should then be added to the boilerplate at https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/. But that already says "The IETF takes no position..." so I think it is a genuine no-op. Therefore, I suggest dropping the whole thing. Brian On 09/07/2016 05:57, Adrian Farrel wrote: > AFAICS the only new material is in the final paragraph, although the last sentence is also apparently not new. > > I would advise the IESG to not make a statement in parallel to BCP 79 since alternative wording of the same material will create rather than remove ambiguity. Say new things if they need to be said; revise BCP 79 if it needs to be revised; but don't make statements that look like they are "talking for the sake of talking." > > Adrian > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: IETF-Announce [mailto:ietf-announce-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of >> IESG Secretary >> Sent: 07 July 2016 21:21 >> To: IETF Announcement List >> Subject: Proposed IESG Statement on IPR Declarations >> >> The IESG is considering an IESG statement on IPR Declarations, and would >> like to solicit comments from the community on the proposed text. The >> proposed text is provided below. >> >> The IESG will make a decision about this matter shortly. Please provide >> comments, if any, to ietf@xxxxxxxx or to the IESG at iesg@xxxxxxxx >> before July 31, 2016. >> >> —— >> >> IESG Statement on IPR Declarations: >> >> BCP 79 discusses Intellectual Property Rights (IPR) within the IETF >> process and technologies being worked on at the IETF. >> >> Among other things, BCP 79 specifies how and when IPR disclosures ought >> to be made. The purpose of such disclosures is to inform IETF >> participants and those that use IETF technologies about IPR that may be >> associated with the technology in question. >> >> The IESG also observes that the IETF posts all IPR disclosures (other >> than obvious spam, which is not an IPR disclosure), as they are >> received, in our IPR disclosure database. This database is available at >> https://www.ietf.org/ipr/. >> >> However, as noted in BCP 79, the IETF will make no determination about >> the validity of any particular IPR claim. Neither the IETF nor the IESG >> makes any attempt to verify patent validity or the validity of any other >> statements in the IPR disclosure text. As BCP 79, Sec. 4(B) indicates: >> >> "The IESG disclaims any responsibility for identifying the >> existence of or for evaluating the applicability of any IPR, >> disclosed or otherwise, to any IETF technology, specification or >> standard, and will take no position on the validity or scope of >> any such IPR claims." >> >> The material posted as IPR disclosures should be viewed as originating >> from the source of that information, and any issue or question related >> to the material should be directed to the source rather than the IETF. >> There is no implied endorsement or agreement by the IETF or the IESG >> with any of the material. > >