>> >> >> Hi, >> >> Thanks, a cogent summary, though I think it underplays a couple of key >> points: >> >> 1/ the cost of backing out of Singapore at this date (this is the >> picture we’re trying to put together in a way that will be useful for >> public consumption) >> >> 2/ whether a broader range of people than have failed to unsubscribe >> from the IETF@ mailing list are on board with canceling (there are a >> few different conversations that are going on in the background and >> they are not all supportive of canceling). > ==> I do agree with cancelling Singapore, if the IETF will consider for > all future events issues which hinder the actual participant from > attending an IETF event. For e.g. Visa obtention. If the IETF is not > able guarantee visa for an aspiring IETF participant, then will it > cancel such a venue? > > Haven't we opened a can of worms? Not really, as HMS (Her Majesty Ship) Illustrous is ready for sale. With "some" maintenance she is able to leave UK. So who is starting collecting money of kickstarter? Guessing 50.000.000 GBP may cover the bill. Michal P.S: excuse my irony, but ...