On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On 24 May 2016, at 8:44 PM, Adam Roach <adam@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > I do not doubt that it sucks to be a gay or bisexual male living in > Singapore. Spending a week there for work should be fine. > > > I'll again agree with Jari's formulation, adding emphasis to the final three > cited words: "I think it is of course necessary to consider things that > affect the ability to enter, safety (possibly including usual human > activities that people do outside meetings anyway, families travelling > along)”. > > > Then I guess where I disagree with both you and Melinda is that I don’t > think the ability to bring families along should be an important > consideration. This may be because I have never traveled to work with > family, nor do I consider them coming as anything other than a vacation (for > them - I would be stuck in meetings). I am somewhat uncomfortable with idea > of a companion program, but that’s a subject for a different thread. > > Yes, there are exceptional cases such as when people need to travel with > companions due to disability. Traveling with family beyond that is a choice. Breastfeeding is another instance where brining your family is important. 8 days is just too long to be away from a baby breastfeeding. It's a lot of milk to pump and send back or have stocked up in advance. There are some instances where having a support person and child are essential to some attendees being able to participate. I've said this already and Ted made this argument already. There may be other situations, I don't know as I haven't run into them yet. Kathleen > Assuming the worst about Singapore, it’s not fair that I have that choice, > while Ted may feel that he does not. But if we can conclude that our > participants themselves face no risk of harm or discrimination, I don’t > think that should be a consideration. > > Yoav > -- Best regards, Kathleen