My gut feeling is that Dave is probably correct in his assertion that
our peripatetic approach to outreach produces little of value, and is
probably counter-productive to our key activity of designing a better
Internet. I wonder if we have hard evidence on this one way or the
other? If the IETF has that evidence, it would be really useful if that
were tabled to inform this debate.
If there is no hard evidence that our peripatetic approach has has a
significant positive benefit, then choosing a small pool of locations
that are accessible (in all senses of the word) to those that are
already active would seem to service the mission of the IETF best.
- Stewart
On 23/05/2016 14:13, Dave Crocker wrote:
On 5/22/2016 2:04 PM, Melinda Shore wrote:
Allow me to suggest that avoiding disadvantaging people who do not
actually participate might be somewhat lower priority than avoiding
disadvantaging those who do.
+10
The model which asserts that choosing meeting venues is a way to
recruit participants has no objective basis -- and that's after 30
years of opportunity to demonstrate otherwise. It frankly serves to
work against the basic goal of having most work done on mailing lists,
by selling a cultural view that meetings are primary.
Anyone who wants to participate in the IETF already can. All they
need is an Internet connection. It doesn't even have to be a good
one, since IETF list mail only consumes extremely low bandwidth and is
an asynchronous form of use.
F2F meetings permit /added/ efficiency for those who are /already/
participating.
Moving the venue is /not/ for permitting attendance by those who
otherwise can't attend, but (is supposed to be) to share the pain
among those who do attend.
The outreach goal cited for some venue choices is well-intentioned but
unfortunately misguided and probably counter-productive to the IETF's
main work.
On 5/23/2016 7:01 AM, Bob Hinden wrote:
I only wish that was true. While we try to go back to venues that
have worked well, they are often not available on the dates when we
want to meet.
While that is sometimes the case, of course, it is not the primary
reason we keep seeking new venues (independent of the occasional
social outreach experiment.)
The primary reason we vary the cities so much is to try to get
sponsors and hosts.
d/