There was always compuserv. And it is sad for everyone that we now have OTR, axolotl, double ratcheting and "signal tm". Moxie started with OTR, migrated it to ECC and fragmented the encrypted IM community. It seems that now he has made it worse due to IPR. Sad, Paul Sent from my iPhone > On May 11, 2016, at 08:55, Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@xxxxxx> wrote: > > A very interesting paper (I said "intesresting", I didn't say I > agree!) on open networks where independant nodes with independently > developed programs interoperate thanks to standards. The author claims > closed and centralized systemes are better, because they allow faster > evolution (he uses security as an example). > > Many IETF cases mentioned (XMPP, IPv6, email...) > > https://whispersystems.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving/