Dave, > > How do we move on so: > ... > > - this problem does not recur > > What you probably /do/ mean is that further venue selections avoid > places that effectively serve to exclude participation by various > constituencies. What I mean, and I have no reason to doubt the good intentions and diligence of the IAOC and Meetings Committee, is that we need to avoid situations where: - the IAOC is unaware of the strength of feeling in the community on a selection issue - the IAOC is unaware of travel issues for a particular venue - the community is surprised by the choice of venue - the venue, host, sponsor, IAOC, IETF, are embarrassed by the reaction to a venue announcement It may be true that the community could provide a list of vetoed and approved locations for the Meetings Committee to work with. That is a possible approach. Another approach might be for the Meetings Committee to suggest some venues and see what the community feels (this has happened before with a poll on some venues that Ray sent to the community). But I want to spec the problem, not engineer a solution. I trust the IAOC to develop a solution to the problem that works with the other issues they have to handle. And I trust them to bring the solution forward soon. Adrian