Scott: At IETF 86 in the IPRbis BOF, the minutes reflect fe following conclusion: Strong sense of the room that active influence counts as participation, but listening and watching does not. So, one might argue that an AD can be unaware that a particular document includes something that needs to be disclosed up to the point that they take some action on that document, such as sponsoring it. Can you point to a discussion on the other side of this point? Russ On Mar 30, 2016, at 12:28 PM, Scott Bradner <sob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > this was the (strong?) consensus of the IPR BOF > > Scott > >> On Mar 30, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo <Gonzalo.Camarillo@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Section 1 (Definitions), subsection k says the following: >> >>> Without limiting the generality of the >>> foregoing, acting as a working group chair or Area Director >>> constitutes "Participating" in all activities of the relevant >>> working group or area. >> >> The AD of a large area may not get to read all individual I-Ds or all >> email messages sent in all the WGs of the area. We may want to define >> this a bit more explicitly. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Gonzalo >> >> On 22/03/2016 2:17 PM, Jari Arkko wrote: >>> >>> All, >>> >>> RFC 3979 was published in 2005. Since then we’ve gathered a lot of experience, and we’d like to update the RFC with that experience. This isn’t a revolution of the IETF IPR approach, it is mostly about clarification, better documentation, and recognising some other new RFCs and changes. But the document itself has changed quite a lot and structured differently than RFC 3979 was. >>> >>> Some of the main issues (such as how to define participation) were discussed in the IETF-87 meeting, but there are also a number of other changes in this document. Please give this document a careful read, and let us know your feedback. >>> >>> I am starting a last call on this document today, but gave a longer last call period to make sure everyone has enough time to comment after IETF-95 as well. And thanks for the comments that some of you have already sent after the document was published; we’ve observed them and will make them part of the feedback from the Last Call. >>> >>> The document is available here: >>> >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bradner-rfc3979bis/ >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bradner-rfc3979bis-08 >>> >>> Jari Arkko (as the responsible AD for this document) >>> >> >