If it is necessary then that suggests a prioritised IETF workplan. C > Stephen Farrell <mailto:stephen.farrell@xxxxxxxxx> > 15 March 2016 at 11:39 > > I believe there have been attacks in the past that had they > been at larger scale could have taken the IETF site offline. > CF are a mitigation for that. I think some such mitigation > is sadly necessary. But I also think we want that to work > better, to not track folks and to not get in the way of access, > unless taking such actions is really necessary. (I don't think > it is myself, at least not in the normal course of events, but > then I don't see the operations stuff.) > > Cheers, > S. > > Christian de Larrinaga <mailto:cdel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > 15 March 2016 at 11:34 > With respect that is not the reasoning. > > Cloudflare are intercepting access from some IPs and imposing a man in > the middle dialogue before "granting" access to > https://www.ietf.org/rfc.html > > e.g. This is the report I get below a captcha - CloudFlare Ray ID: > 283f99aee908294a • Your IP: 93.115.95.206 • Performance & security by > CloudFlare > > There may be other usability issues with the ietf site such as > javascript use but that is a separate issue I think to having a traffic > policeman standing permanently in the middle of the road. > > The question is does IETF need that policeman to do that filtering? Is > it desirable? I don't get the sense that it is. > > Christian > Christian de Larrinaga <mailto:cdel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > 15 March 2016 at 11:30 > With respect that is not the reasoning. > > Cloudflare are intercepting access from some IPs and imposing a man in > the middle dialogue before "granting" access to > https://www.ietf.org/rfc.html > > e.g. This is the report I get below a captcha - CloudFlare Ray ID: > 283f99aee908294a • Your IP: 93.115.95.206 • Performance & security by > CloudFlare > > There may be other usability issues with the ietf site such as > javascript use but that is a separate issue I think to having a > traffic policeman standing permanently in the middle of the road. > > The question is does IETF need that policeman to do that filtering? Is > it desirable? I don't get the sense that it is. > > Christian > Eliot Lear <mailto:lear@xxxxxxxxx> > 15 March 2016 at 10:25 > > By the logic nobody should use a Tor browser. That way we have one > Internet. > > > Christian de Larrinaga <mailto:cdel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > 15 March 2016 at 10:18 > One Internet or something? > > -- Christian de Larrinaga FBCS, CITP, ------------------------- @ FirstHand ------------------------- +44 7989 386778 cdel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -------------------------