Folks, When I said that access via Tor is important it was in the context of it being just another way to access Internet, kind of like different types of access networks or browsers. Didn’t want to attach any particular meaning to Tor or anything else. In positive or negative sense. Of course we want to maximise the ability of people to access IETF content, at least if it gets major usage. However, I do want to make an argument that denial of service attacks are a fact of life. I know we don’t have foolproof solutions for them, but we have some practical means to deal with some of the effects, unfortunately somethings affecting proper usage as well. But I do think we need the ability for our network managers (or the ones that we delegate this to) deal with attacks using means that are necessary. Perhaps those means can be improved, but there will need to be some means. Jari