Re: On IETF policy for protocol registries

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On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 7:32 PM, Mark Nottingham <mnot@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On 21 Jan 2016, at 12:47 am, Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> The reason I picked on 5785 is that it was the one that the DE refused to give any explanation of the need for when I asked in private.
>
> Since you bring it up -
>
> You sent me one brief e-mail making a couple of suggestions about how the registry process could be changed, motivating them with your "mmm" proposal.
>
> I responded affirmatively to an observation you made, and to the suggestions noted:
>
> """
> The relationship with that registry was discussed in LC, and we explicitly decided NOT to tie them together, IIRC.
> """

That was why I re-raised the issue on apps-discuss. You didn't seem
interested in giving an explanation of the need for the registry then
either. Instead you stated that a decision had been reached as if that
was the end of the matter.

I do not expect you to provide statistics as DE. However when you make
a series of assertions about the need for the registry characterizing
it as essential to protect the integrity of the Internet, I do expect
that you would justify such a surprising claim with instances where
you believe that to have been the case.

You have repeatedly asked me to provide technical details and then
completely ignored the explanations I have given.


Finally, what you took as being 'bad behavior' on my part was when I
pointed out that I knew that you were the DE rather than another
individual. Which I did at the request of an AD who thought that it
appeared that I was suggesting the registry be merged on account of
his behavior.

>From the start you appear to have been attempting to find an excuse to
refuse to engage with the substance of my proposal questioning the
form, the technology and finally after one of your allies makes two
very personal ad hominem attacks, calling my proposal 'mindbogglingly
stupid' and then calling me a liar you are attempting to call an end
to the discussion by alleging bad behavior on my part.


For the record, I have yet to hear one argument from you, or for that
matter anyone else as to why two separate registries are needed at
all.

If you do in fact have such an argument, this is the forum that the
ART AD concerned has asked the discussion take place in. The floor is
yours.




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